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New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 13, 2013 10:49AM

Daniel has drawn up some new ones for us..

Last Two.. for starter solenoids is just two different ways of doing it..

The first one allows you to unplug and return to factory is wanted....for Show?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/13/2013 02:12PM by MattNall.

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: July 13, 2013 11:11AM

Nice job, what's the relay part number/manuf.

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 13, 2013 11:31AM

66... surely it just the generic that you find everywhere...

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: gerg ()
Date: July 13, 2013 11:37AM

Autozone has 30A relays on the aisle for less than $10 or so.

I use them on the starters on my VWs as well as the oil cooler fans on my bus.

Setrab twin pack cooler on the bus. I had it hooked to the ignition circuit and the bus would cut out when they kicked on. eye popping smiley

gerg
Monroe, LA


1965 500 Coupe, 140hp / PG, Brown EFI - work in progress
1962 Rampside, 110Hp, factory 4 speed & 3.89 posi


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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: Bluebrier ()
Date: July 13, 2013 11:48AM

Relays are the generic type, 30A. priced $3-$4, in my area.

Daniel Monasterio
64 Customized Greenbrier (The Bluebrier)
67 Customized Cpe. (Andariego)
Guadalajara, México

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 13, 2013 11:54AM

Same here... in blister pacs on the shelves..

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: gerg ()
Date: July 13, 2013 12:05PM

Probably cheaper here too than I stated.

Been over a year since I bought one.

gerg
Monroe, LA


1965 500 Coupe, 140hp / PG, Brown EFI - work in progress
1962 Rampside, 110Hp, factory 4 speed & 3.89 posi


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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 13, 2013 12:07PM

Depends where you buy! NAPA $10.... Chains $7

Local small stores $3

Just like light bulbs...

AZ / O'Rys's wanted $5 for 2 Bayonet style side markers...

Local Convenience store $1.99 for 4...

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: Richard ()
Date: July 13, 2013 01:31PM

You're using one relay to activate another relay to activate the solenoid/relay.

The purpose of adding a relay to activate the starter solenoid/relay is to by-pass any resistance in the starter circuit. The wiring from the rear of the car to the front, the Ign switch and the return wiring. Either one of those additional relays can be eliminated and you will have performed that function.

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 13, 2013 01:37PM

Richard.. I think Daniel is just showing two different ways to do it..

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: Bluebrier ()
Date: July 13, 2013 02:08PM

Right Matt !, last one is more pictoric and previous one is good for stock cars as, it can be installed/removed in a couple minutes.
The reasons to install it are:

1.- Avoiding resistance on wiring (mostly old) between ignition switch and starter solenoid. 2.- Stop start contacts (at ignition switch) degrading by erosion or pitting due to the current used by the solenoid. Relay coil uses minimal current.
3.- It is much easier and cheaper to change a generic relay than an ignition switch.

Daniel Monasterio
64 Customized Greenbrier (The Bluebrier)
67 Customized Cpe. (Andariego)
Guadalajara, México

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: lgoodwin ()
Date: July 13, 2013 07:09PM

My latest Corvair has a mechanical pump and I'd like to do this upgrade on it. Questions:

1. Why do you need a pushbutton switch to prime? The ones I've installed I did not add a relay, and I could prime by simply turning the ignition key to Run position before starting.

2. Where is the best place to locate the relay?
Matt, I've never seen relays for sale at any convenience store. Which convenience stores have YOU seen them at?

3. Does the Vega-type switch screw right in?

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: Leon ()
Date: July 13, 2013 07:14PM

The primer button is needed because the pressure switch shuts down the fuel pump with the engine not running.

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1965 Monza Coupe, turbocharged 140/4spd, Carter AFB 4bbl, E-flow Crown turbo, water/meth injection, driver
1965 Corsa Coupe, 140/4spd, future project
1966 Monza Coupe, 110/4spd parts car
1966 Monza 'vert, 95/PG parts car
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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 13, 2013 07:19PM

Luke... "Davey Jones Locker " in Charleston, Or. They sell everything! gg

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: Bluebrier ()
Date: July 14, 2013 03:07PM

lgoodwin Wrote:
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> My latest Corvair has a mechanical pump and I'd
> like to do this upgrade on it. Questions:
>
> 1. Why do you need a pushbutton switch to prime?
> The ones I've installed I did not add a relay, and
> I could prime by simply turning the ignition key
> to Run position before starting.
>
> 2. Where is the best place to locate the relay?
> Matt, I've never seen relays for sale at any
> convenience store. Which convenience stores have
> YOU seen them at?
>
> 3. Does the Vega-type switch screw right in?

1.- Answered by Leon.
2,. See picture.
3.- Yes

Daniel Monasterio
64 Customized Greenbrier (The Bluebrier)
67 Customized Cpe. (Andariego)
Guadalajara, México

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Re: New Wiriing diagrams for Fuelpumps and Starter solenoids from Bluebrier
Posted by: lgoodwin ()
Date: July 15, 2013 01:18AM

Nice job, Daniel, looks like it was installed at the factory!
Instead of the pressure switch, I'd like to use a mercury switch that cuts off power to the fuel pump when car is upside down or over 45 degree angle. Need to get my windshield wipers working again first, though...

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<tr>
<td><img src='[www.automation-scs.com]; alt='1962 Corvair 900 sedan' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[corvaircenter.com]; alt='1967 Corvair Monza 140/4-speed' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[corvaircenter.com]; alt='1968 Corvair 500 coupe' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[www.automation-scs.com]; alt='1983 Mexican Mustang 5.0' width='190' /></td>
<td><a href='[www.automation-scs.com&]; target='_blank'></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1962 900 sedan needs a home</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1967 Monza 140/4-spd</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1968 500 coupe (now my son's)</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1983 Mexican Mustang 5.0</font></td>
</tr>
</table>

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