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Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: zarfnober ()
Date: June 25, 2013 01:01AM

In the latest Road and Track, there is an article on the new Factory Five kit car, Project 818. I'm providing the link here to the drivetrain/chassis page.

[www.factoryfive.com]

Read the bottom section on the running gear. Here's the important part: The unique layout of the Impreza allows for the entire engine and transaxle unit to be moved to the rear of the car and be used to drive the rear wheels with a simple locking collar installed in place of the center differential.

Seems you CAN simply buy the locking collar from them and run a Subaru 4 or 6 cylinder and transaxle in a mid engine conversion for the Vair. I brought this subject up a long time ago about just eliminating the rear half of the 4wd, someone said it couldn't be done. Looks like it can!

So with some fabricating to use the Vair rear suspension with the Subie transaxle, we could have a very reliable 350hp for our Vairs without dropping valve seats or destroying transaxles. And plenty of legroom too.

I have to say that when you look at what it takes ($$$$$$$) to build a V8 car or HP Vair motor/diff, this idea looks pretty good.

Or just buy the donor car and kit from Factory Five and forget about the Vair altogether! the R & T roadtest on this car is pretty impressive.

Well?

Rocco

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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 25, 2013 01:15AM

Sounds exciting! and viable... Aftermrket Computer control of the engines is widely available..





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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 25, 2013 01:19AM

zarfnober Wrote:
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> In the latest Road and Track, there is an article
> on the new Factory Five kit car, Project 818. I'm
> providing the link here to the drivetrain/chassis
> page.
>
> [www.factoryfive.com]
> n/#_runninggearcontents
>
> Read the bottom section on the running gear.
> Here's the important part: The unique layout of
> the Impreza allows for the entire engine and
> transaxle unit to be moved to the rear of the car
> and be used to drive the rear wheels with a simple
> locking collar installed in place of the center
> differential.
>
> Seems you CAN simply buy the locking collar from
> them and run a Subaru 4 or 6 cylinder and
> transaxle in a mid engine conversion for the Vair.

The Locking Collar and rear plate/cover to block off the rear driveshaft are available by another company - the original company who makes them...

I know this from doing my research on a Subaru site for the mid-engine Subaru powerplant in the back of UV231.


> I brought this subject up a long time ago about
> just eliminating the rear half of the 4wd, someone
> said it couldn't be done. Looks like it can!
>
It can only be done with SOME manual transmissions. And it can only be a Mid-engine and not like the stock Covair setup.

> So with some fabricating to use the Vair rear
> suspension with the Subie transaxle, we could have
> a very reliable 350hp for our Vairs without
> dropping valve seats or destroying transaxles. And
> plenty of legroom too.
>
> I have to say that when you look at what it takes
> ($$$$$$$) to build a V8 car or HP Vair motor/diff,
> this idea looks pretty good.
>
> Or just buy the donor car and kit from Factory
> Five and forget about the Vair altogether! the R &
> T roadtest on this car is pretty impressive.
>
> Well?
>
> Rocco

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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: June 25, 2013 01:22AM

zarfnober Wrote
> Or just buy the donor car and kit from Factory
> Five and forget about the Vair altogether! the R &
> T roadtest on this car is pretty impressive.
>
> Well?
>
> Rocco
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I agree with everything you said and have been contemplating this swap myself,But the last line is puzzeling? if we forget about the corvair altogether whats the point?eye rolling smileyconfused smiley



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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 25, 2013 01:50AM


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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: Canyon Man ()
Date: June 25, 2013 02:01AM

No Thanks! I'll walk.

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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: Vairforce1 ()
Date: June 25, 2013 03:22AM

OttawaCorvairGuy Wrote:
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> It can only be done with SOME manual transmissions. And it can only be a Mid-engine and not like the stock Covair setup.

Actually, Subarugears makes a reverse ring and pinion modification that allows a Subaru 5-speed manual and Subaru engine to work in a rear-engine configuration. This is becoming popular with the Vanagon and sandrail guys. See [subarugears.com]

Dave

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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: zarfnober ()
Date: June 25, 2013 03:42AM

davemotohead Wrote:
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> zarfnober Wrote
> > Or just buy the donor car and kit from Factory
> > Five and forget about the Vair altogether! the R
> &
> > T roadtest on this car is pretty impressive.
> >
> > Well?
> >
> > Rocco
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> I agree with everything you said and have been
> contemplating this swap myself,But the last line
> is puzzeling? if we forget about the corvair
> altogether whats the point?eye rolling smileyconfused smiley

I meant to just build the kit car and simplify our livesgrinning smiley Relax Dave, I like the Vair version.

And Ottowa, I don't recall mentioning front engine, look at the thread title.

Rocco

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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: wv-geo ()
Date: June 25, 2013 01:25PM

Vairforce1 Wrote:
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> OttawaCorvairGuy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > It can only be done with SOME manual
> transmissions. And it can only be a Mid-engine and
> not like the stock Covair setup.
>
> Actually, Subarugears makes a reverse ring and
> pinion modification that allows a Subaru 5-speed
> manual and Subaru engine to work in a rear-engine
> configuration. This is becoming popular with the
> Vanagon and sandrail guys. See
> [subarugears.com]
>
> Dave

It's a little hard to get past the $1500 price tag for the reverse R&P.
That and it only comes with either a 3.9 or 4.1 ratio.

Dan Stark
Hurricane, WV

1964 Corvair 500 Coupe, 140HP, 4spd (Christine)
1965 Mustang Coupe, 6cyl, 3spd

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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 25, 2013 02:21PM

Vairforce1 Wrote:
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> OttawaCorvairGuy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > It can only be done with SOME manual
> transmissions. And it can only be a Mid-engine and
> not like the stock Covair setup.
>
> Actually, Subarugears makes a reverse ring and
> pinion modification that allows a Subaru 5-speed
> manual and Subaru engine to work in a rear-engine
> configuration. This is becoming popular with the
> Vanagon and sandrail guys. See
> [subarugears.com]
>
> Dave


Dave,

Yes - That company does make the reverse ring for some Subaru manual trans axles.
That will allow the Subaru engine to be mounted like the Corvair.

However, the title states Mid-Engine Subaru swap and not like the Corvair - so it would not apply here.

Tony

zarfnober Wrote:
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> > Dave, I agree with everything you said and have been
> > contemplating this swap myself,But the last
> line
> > is puzzeling? if we forget about the corvair
> > altogether whats the point?eye rolling smileyconfused smiley
>
> I meant to just build the kit car and simplify our
> livesgrinning smiley Relax Dave, I like the Vair version.
>
> And Ottowa, I don't recall mentioning front
> engine, look at the thread title.

>
> Rocco


Rocco,

Where did I say front engine? (I went back and looked and looked)
I used Mid-engine TWICE... Never saw or used front engine..

Plus I was simply letting those who don't know about the locking collar and plate that it is available and used for MID-ENGINE Surbaru conversions. ggg

It blocks off the rear driveshaft of the ALL Wheel Drive Subaru and allows a person to use the front axles only. GGG

BTW - If one did not use that locking collar - to run the vehicle off of the front axles only - with the way the Subaru trans is designed to work - it would not provide all the power to the front axles.. The sensors used and the way the inside workings of the trans would allow for slipage... Thus the locking collar was designed. And the Plate is simply used to hold lthe locking collar in place while blocking the rear end of the trans axle - to keep it from leaking fluid.


Tony



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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: Tom Z ()
Date: June 26, 2013 10:33AM

..more interesting and to the "Corvair" application,adapting and using the Subaru 5sp on a Corvair engine would be another choice..Kennedy make such an adapter w/flywheel?

Tom Z,,Rochester NY


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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: zarfnober ()
Date: June 26, 2013 03:14PM

Kennedy could certainly make them, I imagine they'd want a minimum run.

Tony: I knew what the collar did, just didn't want to get that detailed in my original post. But thanks for providing the link.

When you consider that these Subie motors are good for 300 hp, without internal mods, and around 450 with good pistons and rods, it's kind of hard to argue with the potential fun factor in a Vair.

Does anthonyforensics have any updates on his conversion? Expiring minds want to know.

Rocco

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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: chanceparker ()
Date: June 26, 2013 05:21PM

It would probably be a pretty cool build, and I'm all for motor swaps (obviously). But somehow fit feels better if you can keep it in the Chevy famils...or at least the GM family.

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Golden, Colorado
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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: August 08, 2013 03:47PM

I was looking at a factoryfive 818 kit.

link: [www.factoryfive.com]

I wondered if the Corvair motor would fit in where the Subaru 4-cylinder is designed to go. I measured the length of the Corvair, as stripped as possible, and the length of the 4-cylinder Subie. Factory five really cuts it close at the front end of the motor. I called Kennedy about an adapter. It would be from the Corvair to the Subie transaxle. They were not interested. Even though they have all the specs (grrr!) I think it would be a cool swap. - Seth Emerson

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Re: Subaru mid engine swap?
Posted by: Spectre ()
Date: August 08, 2013 03:59PM

I'd love to take the 5.0 coyote DOHC Ford engine and mate it to a Porsche transaxle and install that in a Corvair. Blasphemy I know, but that is a sweet running engine.

David Clamp


1965 Corsa convertible - 140 4spd/3.55/AM-FM

2013 Mustang GT convertible - 5.0, 6spd auto

2003 Miata SE - 6spd manual (wife's toy)

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