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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: vairsUPnorth ()
Date: July 14, 2012 09:50AM

Since you are in the Midwest check again at Fleet Farm for an Amsoil display. Many F`F stores are carrying it now and so are many FLAPS.

Oils I use in Corvairs:

'65 Greenbrier 110/4 (newly rebuilt) - Amsoil Z-Rod 10W-30
'65 Monza 110/4 (15 yrs/50k on profesional rebuild) - Amsoil Z-Rod 10W-30
'67 500 110/PG (83k original engine) - Mobil 1 High Mileage [SL rated]
'67 Monza 110/PG (???) - Mobil 1 High Mileage

Last I checked at Wal-Mart the Mobil 1 High Mileage 10W-30 and Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 were acceptable per Mr. Widman's chart.

Before Amsoil came out with the Z-Rod line I used their type ACD SAE30/10W-30 HD Diesel oil [CI-4, SL] with great success.

I have had issues with other brands of oil filters. I now only use WIX 51038. They take only one day to order from my FLAPS (Auto Value).

Dale Dewald
Hancock, (UP) MI

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: 64turbo ()
Date: July 14, 2012 10:50AM

Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 10-30. My NAPA guy orders it for me.

Ron Manwaring
CT Corsa

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: MonzACT ()
Date: July 15, 2012 06:37AM

In Australia I use local brand Penrite - 10W-40 full synthetic. While labelled SN, it has 0.0124% zinc. I understand that there is a US distributor, but I doubt if it's widely available.

Chris Gallagher
Melbourne, Australia
1964 Monza coupé

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: DakotaVair ()
Date: July 15, 2012 02:55PM

Mr. 66variman you are correct. If you want to use a diesel oil then you MUST use a CI4+ rated one only. Not a CJ4 one which shows to be back compatable.. The antiwear additives for conventional gasoline engines was removed as well as much of the detergency. They have replaced these additives with new more agressive additives but not for the reason classic car buffs (anything 1989 and earlier) want..

The answer is a CI4 diesel or as I use - the AMsoil ZROD 10W30 or AMO 10W40 which has the zinc ZDDP you want.. Or Amsoil's AME 15W40 CI4 which they will continue to produce.
You can get Rotella CI4 but you have to go to a diesel shop to find it usually. The AMsoil 10W40 AMO will smooth out your engine well enough to where vibrations you see in the mirrors vanish.. I noticed that back in 1995 when I first used it. Great stuff!



66vairman Wrote:
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> guy63 - Wow you had to ask the "oil" question.
> As you can see the responses are varied.
>
> Richard1 makes a good point - DON'T add ZDDP via
> additives. Unless your a chemist and know the
> existing oil mix - you asking for trouble by
> adding ZDDP. SAE papers show there is a narrow
> range were ZDDP performs optimally. Too much is
> probably worse than too little.
>
> As for Rotella - it is a fine diesel engine oil -
> but after the revised EPA rules for clean diesel
> engines Rotella was changed. I could be
> misinformed, but everything I read said ZDDP had
> been either reduced or eliminated from Rotella and
> it now contained an additive package claimed to be
> "superior" to ZDDP, whatever that means. This was
> a few years ago and at that time the new Rotella
> was NOT approved for gasoline engines (the old
> Rotella was approved for gasoline engine use).
>
> What do you say Richard1?

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: richard1 ()
Date: July 15, 2012 03:56PM

Not going to type eell from the ipad. Just got tarija.

Cj-4 isn't the end of the world. Most formulas have improved with certain non-metallic additives that are hard to measure. I still prefer ci4. But cj4is better than just a sn or sm.

To the snwith that zinc content, it must be ci4/sn. You have to ignore the sn inthe classification.

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: July 16, 2012 06:53AM

I like the idea of Valvoline Racing VR1 10/30, I should have a case ordered too.

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: richard1 ()
Date: July 16, 2012 07:28AM

Valvoline Racing VR1 looks like a good option. I'm not sure how they can "Recommend" it for SN applications with the US climate of lawyers when catalytic converters are clogged, but they must have excuses or something up their sleeves.

It is not "certified" (since it could not be) just recommended. Fine for Corvairs (and also interestingly near the top of the viscosity range for a 10W-30)

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: flamingchariots ()
Date: July 16, 2012 05:57PM

O'Reilly's lists two types of Valvoline Racing VR1:
Regular: [www.oreillyauto.com] for $5.99 qt.
Synthetic: [www.oreillyauto.com] for $9.29 qt.

Both state: "High zinc/phosphorus for extreme anti-wear, including flat tappets."
Which are you recommending, Richard?

Kevin
Medina, OH

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: richard1 ()
Date: July 17, 2012 05:30AM


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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: gbirk1 ()
Date: July 17, 2012 05:46PM

I used the Quaker State Defy from Wal Mart on my last oil change--claims boosted zinc level. I was made aware of it from earlier posts on the forum.

Probably coincidence, but after about 150 miles my Clark's oil filter (installed at the same time) started leaking quite a bit. It was loose, so I tightened it, which helped, but did not eliminate the leak entirely. Didn't feel quite right and I didn't want to over tighten it.

It was leaking from both where the filter seats on the housing and through the bolt hole (gasket for the bolt changed at the last oil change).

I swapped the filter tonight, and the "leaking" one looked OK visually after I removed it. "New" one not leaking after running just a few minutes. Will run some more, go for a ride, and re-check.

Any thoughts on either the oil or the filter?

Gregg Birkholz
Canaan, CT.

1967 Monza 110 PG Convertible
2013 Chevy Malibu (Wife's DD)
1993 Cadillac Deville
2012 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab
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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: July 17, 2012 07:35PM

Greg - A few weeks back I looked at Qstate Defy and it clearly states that additives are included to "soften up" old seals. That put me off. Not something I'd put in an engine with good seals.

I suppose if you have an old engine with hard seals it could help, but there's a fine line between softening up a seal and dissolving it.

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: stitch ()
Date: July 17, 2012 09:19PM

"Where the filter sits on the housing".... I always thought that the included gasket just doesn't look right. I've been using the one that came with the original filter (When I bought it in '09) No leaks there. Changed oil maybe 4-5 times since and still no leaks. The new ones that are included, 'just don't look right'....

"If you can't fix it with a Hammer, you have an Electrical problem."
Stitch...
Schertz, Texas.
(Smallish town/burg 17 mi. NE of San Antonio)

'Ms Penny'
!967.. 4th body
8th off the line

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: richard1 ()
Date: July 18, 2012 05:08AM

softening old seals is good. As they soften they expand. The oil filter bolt seal would not be affected by those solvents. Probably had some grit on it or something.

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: rnch ()
Date: July 18, 2012 05:57AM

richard1 Wrote:
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> Simple flow chart for selection.
>
> [www.widman.biz]



a most appreciated and accurate flow cart! thanks, Richard.

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: curt ()
Date: July 18, 2012 06:37AM

Brad Penn for me. Richard has an excellent flow chart for oil purchases, it is for diesel oil.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2012 06:41AM by curt.

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Re: What's everyone using for oil?
Posted by: '66Monza ()
Date: July 19, 2012 05:27AM

Just ordered a case of this on Amazon- $62.81 with free shipping! (we are Prime members)

Kurt
1966 Monza convertible
140 - 4 speed

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