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Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: SpyderMan ()
Date: May 01, 2012 08:26PM

I just ordered the retainer strips that were missing from my wagon that held up the insulation on the engine lid. I have no idea why they were not on the car but Jeff at California Corvairs to the rescue!

What I have now is some dark batting that is held up with LM insulation retainers scattered about. I was wondering if any one knew what would have been on the car when it was new so I can try to find something as close as possible.

Here is how to looks now.







Sam Russell
Durham NC
1962 Monza Wagon Ted Brown EFI Gen II
1964 Spyder coupe


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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: thumper477 ()
Date: May 02, 2012 04:52AM

I do not remember exactly what was there originally.I do remember that it fell off and got sucked into the fan and packed around the engine cooling fins causing overheating and blown head gaskets.

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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: jimmyo ()
Date: May 02, 2012 05:18AM

I like what it looks like now. If it was like the f/c's it would of had metal rods that run between those holes with typical 60's underhood batting underneath.

Jim O'Connor
45 miles north of The Bronx, N.Y.
1962 Greenbrier 110 4spd
1964 Monza Convertible 110 PG
"Wherever you go....There you are"

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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: SpyderMan ()
Date: May 02, 2012 06:06AM

Jim, my 64 Greenbrier had just what you describe. Because everything is missing from my car, I have no idea what was there. Has any one found what is left of wires that run between the four retainer strips?

Thumper, I can see that being an issue. I was planing on using some type of glue to hold it up as well.

This is a picture of a 61 that I looked at that was pretty unmolested. Does not look like there is any remains of glue on the under side.



Sam Russell
Durham NC
1962 Monza Wagon Ted Brown EFI Gen II
1964 Spyder coupe


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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: wagbear ()
Date: May 02, 2012 07:01AM

Sam.... Glad you got those retainers....
BUT!!! Check Clarks Catalogue....I bought their "correct" engine lid insulation. Was about 23.50. Is very litewieght and very east to install.
The side that faces the lid is kinda like home insulation ( but tighter), The side that FACES THE ENGINE is a nice smooth matte black. It is VERY easy to install, and looks dang beautiful when finished.
The CLARK'S PART NUMBER IS : C3777

Regarding "wires" ? I never found any when I removed my old "original". It was Glued on. I used 3M Spray adhesive liberally, applied to the lid AND the new insulation. Once the 4 retainers were installed, believe me, the insulation is not going anywhere.

WAGBEAR
1961 Lakewood
Chehalis, Washington
( South of Canada...North of Mexico....Near Olympia ; Planet Earth . smiling smiley

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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: SpyderMan ()
Date: May 02, 2012 09:03AM

Thanks Wag, I will give it a try. It is the words "close to OG" that I do not like in the notes. For the price it will work for now.

I know that there a few un restored wagons around that may have the real deal stuff. If any one has a picture I would love to see them.

Sam Russell
Durham NC
1962 Monza Wagon Ted Brown EFI Gen II
1964 Spyder coupe


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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: John Luscinski ()
Date: May 03, 2012 05:50PM

Sam that is what they call roofing insulation which is mounted under the engine cover. On the Lakewoods there was a stiff wire that holds the inslulation on . There should be some mounting points on the edges of the cover to hold them on.

"Been there and done that! Well Not everything.smiling smiley
65 500 2dr Coupe
63 Greenbrier

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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: SpyderMan ()
Date: May 03, 2012 06:05PM

John, thanks. When I get the strips I will look them over. Do you know how it was held up in the middle?

Sam Russell
Durham NC
1962 Monza Wagon Ted Brown EFI Gen II
1964 Spyder coupe


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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Date: May 03, 2012 06:25PM

Sam,
Don't know much about the under-lid covering on mine, but that it looks pretty good.
Give a shout if you want more details...




Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: SpyderMan ()
Date: May 03, 2012 06:30PM

Thanks for the picture Dan, it does look nice. I am just on a quest to slowly put things back to as close to new as I can.

Sam Russell
Durham NC
1962 Monza Wagon Ted Brown EFI Gen II
1964 Spyder coupe


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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: jimmyo ()
Date: May 03, 2012 06:35PM

I'll take a picture tomorrow of the 62 GB. The rods are like springs. My matting is black (I think?) but doesn't look to good.

Jim O'Connor
45 miles north of The Bronx, N.Y.
1962 Greenbrier 110 4spd
1964 Monza Convertible 110 PG
"Wherever you go....There you are"

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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: wagbear ()
Date: May 04, 2012 07:24AM

The one I got from Clark's is has a grey fibrous insulation-like material that faces the panel itself....The side that faces the engine compartment is a matte black, smooth in texture. Needed just to be trimmed for size and to cut the slit for where the lift rod bracket attaches.....
Maybe there were rods installed.... I don't recall seeing any holes....BUT, does anyone have an assembly manual that might show it ???
The 61' Shop Manual does'nt mention or show anything.

WAGBEAR
1961 Lakewood
Chehalis, Washington
( South of Canada...North of Mexico....Near Olympia ; Planet Earth . smiling smiley

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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: SpyderMan ()
Date: May 04, 2012 08:50AM

Billy, I just looked threw the the 62 assembly manual and there nothing about the lid at all. It seems like the kind of thing that should be in there.

When ever I look at that thing I find something that I I did not notice before. This time I want to know if the wagon guys have ever seen this wire clip on the battery hold down hooks (#9)? And what color was the ring that went under the positive battery cable (#3)?







Sam Russell
Durham NC
1962 Monza Wagon Ted Brown EFI Gen II
1964 Spyder coupe


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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: wagbear ()
Date: May 04, 2012 09:07AM

Sam.... If I recall from the Wagon I had in the 70's, The OEM insulation might have contained asbestos...The Clark's item looks GREAT, much better than using Dynamat or Fatmat.
Is the ring you're referring to light the felt ones they sell at FLAPS stores? Sold as a pair. GREEN felt ring goes to Neg. .... RED goes on Positive post.
Is "SPL WASHER" an appreviation for " Special Washer" ?
I think the clip, #9, is to keep the rod upright and from falling down as you swap out batteries.

WAGBEAR
1961 Lakewood
Chehalis, Washington
( South of Canada...North of Mexico....Near Olympia ; Planet Earth . smiling smiley

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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: jimmyo ()
Date: May 04, 2012 09:30AM

Here's what my 62 GB looks like. The insulation is held by the rods and some type of glue. And it is black on the surface that faces the engine. Can someone post a picture of the Clark's insulation installed?

Jim O'Connor
45 miles north of The Bronx, N.Y.
1962 Greenbrier 110 4spd
1964 Monza Convertible 110 PG
"Wherever you go....There you are"

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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: wagbear ()
Date: May 04, 2012 10:07AM

There are no rods on Wagons.... What I see of the FC, it's entirely differant.

WAGBEAR
1961 Lakewood
Chehalis, Washington
( South of Canada...North of Mexico....Near Olympia ; Planet Earth . smiling smiley

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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: SpyderMan ()
Date: May 13, 2012 08:13PM

I got my new insulation from Clarks and it looks great, BUT. It has and ugly number printed across it.

Did any of you guys have this? I am going to call tomorrow and see if they will send me a different one.

I got my stuff from jeff at California Corvairs. I need to know what the screws that hold the retainers to the under side of the lid. A picture would be killer.

Sam Russell
Durham NC
1962 Monza Wagon Ted Brown EFI Gen II
1964 Spyder coupe


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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: SpyderMan ()
Date: May 13, 2012 08:31PM

I forgot my picture.



Sam Russell
Durham NC
1962 Monza Wagon Ted Brown EFI Gen II
1964 Spyder coupe


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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: SpyderMan ()
Date: May 13, 2012 08:43PM

The next Lid question I have is about the screws that hold the lid down. I was short a few and got some from Jeff at CC. The ones he sent are just like mine but to short to use on the lid. Where were these short screws used?

My picture has a FC lid hold down screw with a slot/philips head far left. The Next is the ones I am using in my wagon now for the lid and both side covers it has a washer made onto the head. The next two are much shorter but have the same head and thread size. these are to short to start in the lid, they just spin. I will call and see if Jeff can shed some light on where they were taken from in the car.

Any one know where the short ones were used?



Sam Russell
Durham NC
1962 Monza Wagon Ted Brown EFI Gen II
1964 Spyder coupe


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Re: Wagon Guys: Under lid insulation, what was OG?
Posted by: tkalp ()
Date: May 14, 2012 06:49AM

Sam, I think the shorter ones work on the covers beside the engine cover, the Left one covers the battery. At least on my Lakewood it is that way. Somewhere someone suggested that some license tag screws from a FLAPS make a decent replacement.

I understand that the Monza wagons had a different cover (smooth rather than waffle pattern) don't know if the fasteners are different.

Did all wagons come with the insulation? My LM 500 sedan did not come from the factory with any engine compartment insulation, while Monzas and Corsas had a bunch.

T. Kalp
Wichita, KS

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