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California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: BrentF ()
Date: April 11, 2012 02:58AM

S.B. 1224 CA Bill to Exempt pre-1981 Vehicles From Emissions Inspection

failed by a vote of 4 to 3

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: bill darcy ()
Date: April 11, 2012 03:03AM

Are you surprised?Don't you know that big brother knows whats best for you.If we keep on electing socialists our beloved Vairs may be voted out of existence.

In the Hub City, Belen NM

Lead from behind..... get left in the dust
"I have not failed I've just found ten thousand ways that won't work" Thomas Edison

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 11, 2012 03:10AM

Guys.. '75 and older are already exempt....

Does my vehicle qualify for a smog exemption?

Smog inspections are required unless your vehicle is:

Hybrid
Gasoline powered 1975 year model or older
Diesel powered manufactured prior to 1998 or with a Gross Vehicle Weight rating (GVWR) of more than 14,000 lbs
Electric
Natural gas powered with a GVWR rating of more than 14,000 lbs.
Motorcycle
Trailer



Newer car designed with smog equipment..should never be exempt.. IMO





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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: bill darcy ()
Date: April 11, 2012 03:37AM

Not talkin strictly smog Matt.There are lots of people who would dearly love to rid the planet of all internal combustion engines.Think the guy who invented the internet is one of them.GGG

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: bubba ()
Date: April 11, 2012 03:48AM

MattNall Wrote:
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> Guys.. '75 and older are already exempt....
>
> Does my vehicle qualify for a smog exemption?
>
> Smog inspections are required unless your vehicle
> is:
>
> Hybrid
> Gasoline powered 1975 year model or older
> Diesel powered manufactured prior to 1998 or with
> a Gross Vehicle Weight rating (GVWR) of more than
> 14,000 lbs
> Electric
> Natural gas powered with a GVWR rating of more
> than 14,000 lbs.
> Motorcycle
> Trailer
>
>
>
> Newer car designed with smog equipment..should
> never be exempt.. IMO

cool, i got 2 of em covered, motorsickle, AND corvair, all older that 75 an all in one package. ggggggggg

bubba, chester ca.

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: mwr ()
Date: April 11, 2012 03:50AM

Glad to hear trailers are exempt from smog testing.

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: YenkoYS-100 ()
Date: April 11, 2012 04:29AM

Since 1993 I have lived in places where inspections are not required on any vehicles. Guess you can figure out how I feel about the system? This is coming from a person who took a 480 hour course on FI, emission controls and computer controlled vehicles, and held a smog inspection license in Kalifornia.

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: Vairismo ()
Date: April 11, 2012 04:36AM

I don't have direct knowledge but I believe newer motorcycles do need to be smogged. At least I have heard references to that effect.

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: mwr ()
Date: April 11, 2012 04:39AM

No they do not. It was proposed but dropped.

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: j3m ()
Date: April 11, 2012 04:47AM

I agree with Matt in that newer cars with Smog equipment should never be exempt from Emissions Testing. You would have essentially "New Life Junkers" that would polute worse or as bad as 1950's automobiles if you abolished emissions requirements for Catalytic Converter equipped, mid seventies and later vehicles.
You'd have these cars running with the fewest replacement parts that would have them functional, like a Fifties car. Cat. converters and smog devices would be done away with, not because they hinder functionality but ONLY BECAUSE THEY COST TO REPLACE THEM, which is something mr low-buck cares nothing about as he can retrofit it with earlier style exhaust manifolds, intake manifold, carb, eliminate the cat. converter, as he doesn't give a s--- what flows out the tailpipe as long as he knows his car is exempt.
The sad but true state of things is if you do exempt later smogged, Cat Converter cars from Emissions, it is as if you put another 1958 car back on the road.
Lowest operational cost (out of pocket cost) for upkeep/roadgoing by the registered owner is what you will see from these later cars if you were to drop emissions tests for them. It is better to keep Emissions tests and make it less attractive for Billy-Joe to opt for a POS pollution mobile that he turned from an 1978 Monte Carlo or 1982 Monte Carlo, into a 1955 Chevy in terms of tailpipe emissions. Even with keeping & maintaining emissions, Billy-Joe can still hot-rod his late model Monte Carlo somewhat with Edelbrock and other intakes/carbs that will conform with proper tuning and with keeping the catalytic converter, and other smog stuff. This is a good thing. It works to keep "lowest common denominator POS s--- off of the roads". It is the same thing with safety inspections in states where rusted bodies/frames are deemed too far gone to be roadworthy. Maintain it properly or repair it to conform to within specs or get the POS off of the road and into a junkyard recycling facility! You don't want an avenue for cheap transportation that is gonna polute like 50+ years ago. That is what you will do if you EXEMPT mid 70's, late'70's and Eighties vehicles. These vehicles are modern enough and spare parts are plentiful and the bodies/chassis of them are more rust resistant than Fifties/Sixties cars, and they have good brakes, steering, and 93%+ have A/C even if not functioning. These cars are inexpensive. Spare parts are inexpensive.
Most any powerplant can be installed in these cars. You definitely do not want to prolong the lives of these cars WITHOUT EMISSIONS EQUIPMENT/testing certification because if you do, you will have a prolonged life POLLUTER CLASS oF AUTOMOBILES, because they simply will be so cheap to get barely functional and outside of the rust-belt and areas of normal rain, these cars could be operational for possibly 50 more years but instead of '78 or '82 tailpipe emission, it will be 50 more years of 1955 style emissions.
KEEP THE EMISSIONS TESTS FOR POST 1975 cars!
You do want cars that are post 1975 and cannot conform to emissions to be required to meet emissions or either forced off of the roads until they do comply.
If it becomes too costly for the owner to meet compliance and he believes it is time to get a newer vehicle than spend the money for remedial work to have his old ride comply and meet emissions,.....well, in that case it is a good thing....because you know if the emissions testing was exempt, that moron would just keep driving that POS Polluting mobile like there was no tomorrow, and that POS Polluting mobile is rather clean tailpipe wise when it conforms to emissions like it once did. You don't want s---mobile polluting cars and s---mobile cars that don't conform to safety inspections on the roads! Some states have eliminated SAFETY INSPECTIONS in the past 30 years. Georgia eliminated annual safety inspections in 1982. You should see the amount of cars without functioning turn-signals, headlights burned out, non-functioning horn, non-functioning brake lights, brakes not functioning properly, etc.... Every once in a while, you see an on the scene tv news crew covering an accident and they will be talking to the driver of the car that caused the accident and he will say something like " I was pumping my brakes and normally they stop fine but this time the pedal went to the floor" and this guy was driving a 2000 Honda Accord, not a 1941 Nash.
Yeah, the state troopers do occasionally have checkpoints/sobriety checks where they stop a line of cars at an entrance or exit of a minor roadway and check lights/horn/and whether driver has been drinking, but usually these things are typical around Memorial Day, July 4th, and Labor Day and thats it. The state budget is so tight that, these things are not done, as there are more important tasks like working accidents that occurred because Sammy crashed his SUV on I-85 and caused a 5 car accident because he blew a tire in the '98 Explorer because his tires have the belts exposed and no tread on them. Too many people like Sammy.
You need emissions testing and you need safety inspections. Here in Georgia, only metro Atlanta counties have had emissions testing since the Seventies. The air quality for CSRA(central savannah river area) which includes all of metro Augusta is now worse than some if not most metro Atlanta area counties. Political might and the fact that the Augusta area has no experience with emissions testing and the fact the state budget is so tight, there is no way it would happen unless it was mandated by the EPA. Look at it this way, you've got to live and breathe that air and you don't wanna go back to the Los Angeles smog of 1966. I was out there in the summer of 1966, and it was probably ten times the smog of Los Angeles 2011 or 2012. That is the reason you've got emissions controls and cat. converters on '75 & later cars.

Just my opinion.

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: YenkoYS-100 ()
Date: April 11, 2012 05:31AM

Oh puleesse.....yeah we need more cash for clunkers programs so we can give polluter credits to the biggest polluters. Hey j3m let's hear how you feel about the railraod or aircraft pollution? Do you think there are Borders on the air you breathe? How do you like your Mexico or China air?

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: lostbooger ()
Date: April 11, 2012 05:48AM

Anybody ever read his entire post?

I mean really, is it so hard to get a point across without writing a book?

Damian


61 Monza 4.3L V6


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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: YenkoYS-100 ()
Date: April 11, 2012 06:08AM

Sometimes I do just to see him bash Sammy, '98 Explorers, overweight people.....you know....everyone, or vehicle that he has some complex over. Nice guy!

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: Ed Dowds ()
Date: April 11, 2012 12:09PM

In the last couple of years New Jersey dropped most of the inspection requirements EXCEPT for emmissions.
You can have bald tires, no brakes or lights, ball joints ready to pop but you pass as long as the tailpipe sniff is good! They take great pains in making sure your gas cap (non-vented ones) don't leak any evil gasoline to the air.

I believe the only reason they still have even emmission inspection is to get the federal funds.

Ed
Hillsborough, NJ
66 500 rear 4.3 V6 Corvair
69 350/350 TH Camaro was RS
30 Model A Ford Streetrod 350/400 TH
88 Celebrity Wagon (Daily Driver)

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: April 11, 2012 12:10PM

WOW j3m,,,you did not Bag on a Corvair Once in that post!! I am proud of you!!grinning smiley

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: Mountain Pilot ()
Date: April 11, 2012 12:24PM

By the early 1980's the cars were going with computers, that in itself will doom most of these vehicles to the junk yard. Look at the new cars, how long will they keep on the road when these computers and HiTech systems burn out?

As long as the "good people" in washington do not outlaw manufacture of ignition points, like they did with light bulbs, my Corvair will keep on running.

I was raised in Kalifornicate and got the heck out in 1964 for I could see how over regulated things were getting then. I do not even like going there anymore.

Will they even let my old '64 enter the state?????

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: April 11, 2012 12:31PM

Mountain Pilot Wrote:
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> By the early 1980's the cars were going with
> computers, that in itself will doom most of these
> vehicles to the junk yard. Look at the new cars,
> how long will they keep on the road when these
> computers and HiTech systems burn out?
>
> As long as the "good people" in washington do not
> outlaw manufacture of ignition points, like they
> did with light bulbs, my Corvair will keep on
> running.
>
> I was raised in Kalifornicate and got the heck out
> in 1964 for I could see how over regulated things
> were getting then. I do not even like going there
> anymore.
>
> Will they even let my old '64 enter the state?????


Actualy,,California is relaxed compared to alot of other states with old cars registrations,,75 and older there are no rules,,a 1 time simple safety inspection when registering a old car that is out of the system,,No yearly or other inspections,,I registerd my vair that has been off the road for 20+ years and it cost $127 bucks to transfer title and tag it,,done with 1 trip to AAA with the proper paperwork in hand.thumbs up



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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: ccvair ()
Date: April 11, 2012 01:02PM

Well il say this I had a 72 nova that had a q-jet and a 350 running a 350 hp 327 cam.No emmissions control of any kind eccept for a pcv valve. Passed the IL tail pipe sniffer at less than 150 PPM hc NOx was well within parimeters.Have you tried buying emission controll parts for a late 70s early 80s vehichle latley? Good luck as a good part of them are long gone and forgotten. Truthfully I have a 81 corvette sitting in the garage that can pass the standards set for it and its no where even close to stock. Will it pass the visual test in some states? no. But It will pass a IM240 test how? proper carb tunning timming ect. So I dont want to hear the whinning about old cars causing global warming ect.Besides how many of these cars even are used on a daily basis? Im sure alot of them are around out west more so then out east but it still has to be a low percentage of them being driven daily.

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: April 11, 2012 04:34PM

Oh crap... Living in Kalifornia.... I'm just waiting to have to get my trailer and wheelbarrow smogged! Pissing in the wind is a $10,000 fine, and the Gubment is bonkers, but hey... We have Moonbeam Browneye rolling smiley to save us from ourselves... so all is well in the world.drinking smiley

Regardless of all this nonsense... I still chose to live rite here, even if things shake a bit, burst into flames in fall and have a neighbor who seems to like to burn leaves in his livingroom most nights!hot smiley!!smoking smiley

Live where you love it!!!

Corventure Dave

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Re: California S.B. 1224 failed
Posted by: bill darcy ()
Date: April 11, 2012 04:49PM

Ed Dowds hit the nail on the head.When Pa. was faced with having to implement an emmision inspection program and balked,they were quickly informed that future highway funds would not be forthcomong unless the program was in place.IIRC it was a judge named Bechtel who forced Pa.into testing.In the private sector this is known as extortion but in the public sector it's called doing what's good for you whether you want it or not.

In the Hub City, Belen NM

Lead from behind..... get left in the dust
"I have not failed I've just found ten thousand ways that won't work" Thomas Edison

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