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Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: lgoodwin ()
Date: August 08, 2011 03:39PM

I've had my 68 500 for five years, and never had to replace the points and condenser. Seeking input on WHICH points I should get. I've always replaced points and condenser together. What are others doing these days?

Only looking at Clark's offerings at this point, as I have other parts I need to order from them.

Does it matter which ones I get or where I order them from? Do any national chains sell THE RIGHT points and condenser, or is this one of those parts I should only trust a Corvair vendor to get right?

Clarks has these offerings:

C982 62-69 Points only (OEM): $13.90 (yikes!)

CX7556 Delco non-vented: $7

C8695 Points and Condenser: $33.20 (yikes!)

C54 Points only: $19.15

Thanks!

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: August 08, 2011 03:56PM

I'd go for the Delco non-vented, or just go to NAPA and get their "Blue Streak" brand (premium) components. (KaChing!)

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
65 Canadian Monza 4dr 110/PG 40k
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: Caraholic4life ()
Date: August 08, 2011 04:07PM

Back in February I was looking at NAPA online and their prices at the time were as follows: Keep in mind I went with their Premium or Heavy Duty part listings. Prices on these parts may be different now.

ECH CS788 $20.13 Points (Heavy Duty)

ECH RR176 $11.85 Condensor

ECH RR1830 $15.02 Distributor Cap (High Performance)

BEL 700283 $32.82 Plug Wires

FIL 1038 $19.08 Oil Filter

CRB 24710 $29.84 Choke Pull Off

NAPA has quite a selection listed as available for our cars but the prices are at a premium. My vote would be support our Corvair specific vendors even if they are a little more expensive.....We need to support them so they will be there for us!

When looking at distributor caps, ALWAYS try for the brass contact caps in preference to the aluminum contact caps. The brass cap will work better and last longer in my experience. POINTS, I prefer "Standard" brand.

1962 95 F.C. Van
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe
1965 Monza Coupe
1965 Monza Convertible
Westminster, Maryland

MID ENG enthusiast &
prior Kelmark owner.

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: 52bagman ()
Date: August 08, 2011 04:34PM

Just installed NAPA points, condenser and bosch 7902 plugs in a 66 sedan 110 pg. Seem to work fine, involving two glorious road tests.
Bosch 7502 I could not aquire?

Echlin points--CS788--list 22.13 my cost 11.63
Echlin cond.---RR176--list 13.02 my cost 6.84
Bosch plugs----7902(super +) list 3.20 my cost 1.79

I am lucky to get a discount tho.

Sam C. Saunders,Pt. Pleasant WV
68 500 cp 95 pg ash gold
66 Monza cp 110 4spd black
68 500 cp 95 3spd blue "DAIRY QUEEN CAR"

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: August 08, 2011 04:36PM

premium prices for premium quality parts - but i dont see $14 for a set of points as a yikes moment. what does $14 buy you these days? 2 movie tickets?

cheap points will wear out fast & end up costing you more in the long run. get the good stuff when you can. its getting harder & harder to find quality points sets since there is less & less demand for them.

-Scott V.

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: lgoodwin ()
Date: August 08, 2011 04:38PM

Thanks, guys. So the Delco non-vented for $7 are GOOD, right? Don't need any more car trouble. If good, I'll get those.

My local NAPA raised their prices (1038 went from $7 to over $11 overnight), then promptly went out of business. Bye-bye NAPA. The other NAPAs in my area are no good, never stock anything and too expensive.

I agree about the dist caps. Alum ones are junk, don't last. Don't the good ones still have COPPER electrodes?

What about oil pan gaskets? I have a non-clarks aluminum pan. I can use paper or the thin cork (clarks says it's ok). I was going to go with paper, but if my pan is warped or block is uneven, I may NEED the cork. Never had this pan off before, so it's a crap shoot. Opinions?

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<tr>
<td><img src='[www.automation-scs.com]; alt='1962 Corvair 900 sedan' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[corvaircenter.com]; alt='1967 Corvair Monza 140/4-speed' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[corvaircenter.com]; alt='1968 Corvair 500 coupe' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[www.automation-scs.com]; alt='1983 Mexican Mustang 5.0' width='190' /></td>
<td><a href='[www.automation-scs.com&]; target='_blank'></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1962 900 sedan needs a home</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1967 Monza 140/4-spd</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1968 500 coupe (now my son's)</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1983 Mexican Mustang 5.0</font></td>
</tr>
</table>

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: 52bagman ()
Date: August 08, 2011 04:43PM

The good caps and rotors are brass.
When getting your points check to see they move freely, one set I checked had a slight bind to them when manualy operated.

Sam C. Saunders,Pt. Pleasant WV
68 500 cp 95 pg ash gold
66 Monza cp 110 4spd black
68 500 cp 95 3spd blue "DAIRY QUEEN CAR"

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: Vairismo ()
Date: August 08, 2011 04:59PM

I prefer non vented points. Mostly because of tradition I suppose, but I don't see how vented could be superior anyway.

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: Richard ()
Date: August 08, 2011 05:03PM

62-69 Corvair points are the same as any 62-73 Chevy straight six. You would be hard pressed to find a parts store that didn't have them on the shelf.
I have never bought a set of points that I would be willing to say were better than any others, no matter what I paid for them.
I would recommend not getting "vented" points. I do like them, but unless you are willing to take the time to make sure the contacts are aligned perfectly, you will have to readjust the dwell after a much shorter period of time. They need to be adjusted (bent) so that the curvature of the one contact rests squarely over the other. After you get them just right, you will find the contact patch can move when it is spinning so you have to compensate for that. Much easier on a distributor machine than leaning over a fender.

Standard points should also be checked for alignment, but they are much more forgiving.

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: FLSteve ()
Date: August 08, 2011 05:56PM

Does anyone have a NAPA account that he could use to get the stuff a little less? Or what about the two Corvair vendors that support this forum?
RockAuto is a good place to check.

STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # DR2240X
Points Set Only; Blue Streak Premium Quality $10.58

STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # DR90X
Blue Streak Premium Quality CONDENSOR (Only 10 Remaining) $6.97

STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # DR438X
Blue Streak Premium Quality CAP (Only 7 Remaining) $8.24

STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # DR314X
Blue Streak Premium Quality ROTOR (Only 7 Remaining) $4.86

CHAMPION Part # 700283
Lifetime Pro Wires [Wholesaler Closeout - $8.38

Forgot to add sometimes you can get a 5% off on top of that price!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/08/2011 05:57PM by FLSteve.

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: lgoodwin ()
Date: August 08, 2011 07:04PM

I called O'Reilly's and talked a guy that is very car-smart (he's an older mechanic that really knows his parts). I asked for Standard Motor Products brand points/condensor for 64-74 Chevy 230/250/292 inline six. Said they no longer stock this brand (something about sourcing from mfgs within the same corporate family). Said they have Borg Warner. Got a price for a BW condensor $6.95, but never did get a price for points. He actually knew which other FLAPS sell Standard brand and recommeded that I go there, but I don't like any of those particular stores.

In my case, better to order these from Clark's. Thanks!

<table align='center' width='0'>
<tr>
<td><img src='[www.automation-scs.com]; alt='1962 Corvair 900 sedan' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[corvaircenter.com]; alt='1967 Corvair Monza 140/4-speed' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[corvaircenter.com]; alt='1968 Corvair 500 coupe' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[www.automation-scs.com]; alt='1983 Mexican Mustang 5.0' width='190' /></td>
<td><a href='[www.automation-scs.com&]; target='_blank'></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1962 900 sedan needs a home</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1967 Monza 140/4-spd</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1968 500 coupe (now my son's)</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1983 Mexican Mustang 5.0</font></td>
</tr>
</table>

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: August 09, 2011 12:01PM

Don't skimp on quality for price. Most all the point sets I have seen lately are pretty bad. The rubbing post that rides on the distributor cam is plastic, It wears faster than the contacts of the points making point gap or dwell hard to maintain. Blue Streak used to be the worst points sets out there 20 years ago. I have not looked at them since. In one month back then I fixed many club members ignitions who had just done a tune up and then they ran badly if at all... because of those Blue Streak Points. Perhaps they have changed!?!
Today I run Pertronics units because good quality points were-are so hard to find. NAPA Premium and Niehoff points used to be the only brands I could find with a fiber reinforced rubbing post for riding the distributor point cam.

Corventure Dave

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: lgoodwin ()
Date: August 10, 2011 12:56AM

So, what about the $7 Clark's points? Do they have a fiber reinforced rubbing block?
Jeez, stuff is getting so dang crappy.

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<tr>
<td><img src='[www.automation-scs.com]; alt='1962 Corvair 900 sedan' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[corvaircenter.com]; alt='1967 Corvair Monza 140/4-speed' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[corvaircenter.com]; alt='1968 Corvair 500 coupe' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[www.automation-scs.com]; alt='1983 Mexican Mustang 5.0' width='190' /></td>
<td><a href='[www.automation-scs.com&]; target='_blank'></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1962 900 sedan needs a home</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1967 Monza 140/4-spd</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1968 500 coupe (now my son's)</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1983 Mexican Mustang 5.0</font></td>
</tr>
</table>

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: davhamm ()
Date: August 10, 2011 04:33AM

lgoodwin Wrote:
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> So, what about the $7 Clark's points? Do they have
> a fiber reinforced rubbing block?
> Jeez, stuff is getting so dang crappy.


There is so much humor in this post.....


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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: 52bagman ()
Date: August 10, 2011 04:59AM

NAPA ECHLIN CS788 nonvented, fiber pad, strong spring with smooth action and brass contact nuts. Nice heavy duty construction.

list 22.13---my cost 11.63

Sam C. Saunders,Pt. Pleasant WV
68 500 cp 95 pg ash gold
66 Monza cp 110 4spd black
68 500 cp 95 3spd blue "DAIRY QUEEN CAR"

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: Ratt643 ()
Date: August 10, 2011 05:30AM

Use the cork gasket for you oils pan. Use a sealer like Indian Head Gasket Shelack on the pan only, so the gasket stays on place after it torqued and will come off witht he pan. Points are a crap shoot! I liked the blue Streak products and used them exclusivly, until they became unavaible here in east Tennessee. I'm going to convert my distrubuter to electronic ignition using the Mopar reluctor and magnetic pick-up. Going to use the GM HEI module to control it. If you find the points with the feniloc or fiber rubbing block, might wan to buy extras!

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: August 10, 2011 05:39AM

Cant believe nobody has said it yet.

Loose the points...go Pertronics.

Front drums and ignition points

The two worst things about our cars.

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: August 10, 2011 05:56AM

Blue streak used to be very good points the DR2240X. I used them in all customer cars. What happened, corventure Dave, to the ones you had experience with?

I have been told here on the east coast that NAPA ECH points are the old Echlin points and they also used to be very good and recent use shows them still to be good. Fairly good spring pressure for speed.

The Delco points stopped having a screw for the point wire connection, and just uses a spring clip to hold the wires. Seems cheesy, but appears to work for the last 40 years.... The spring in the Delco points is typically not enough for high speed engines. OK for normal driving.

Frank DuVal

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: FLSteve ()
Date: August 10, 2011 09:53AM

I never had an issue with Blue Streak.

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Re: Dumb Questions: Which points to buy?
Posted by: lgoodwin ()
Date: August 10, 2011 11:10AM

Ratt643 Wrote:
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> Use the cork gasket for you oils pan. Use a sealer
> like Indian Head Gasket Shelack on the pan only,
> so the gasket stays on place after it torqued and
> will come off witht he pan. Points are a crap
> shoot! I liked the blue Streak products and used
> them exclusivly, until they became unavaible here
> in east Tennessee. I'm going to convert my
> distrubuter to electronic ignition using the Mopar
> reluctor and magnetic pick-up. Going to use the GM
> HEI module to control it. If you find the points
> with the feniloc or fiber rubbing block, might wan
> to buy extras!
Great advice Ratt and others. Thanks!
I'm thinking the old reliable Permatex Form-A-Gasket No. 2 is a suitable substitute for the Indian product. It worked well on my VW beetle.

I'd like to go the GM HEI route myself. The old points system has always been very reliable, but I'm spoiled after so many cars with electronic ignition. It's a drag when engine does not run smoothly all the time! I hope you'll provide all the details on your HEI conversion!

<table align='center' width='0'>
<tr>
<td><img src='[www.automation-scs.com]; alt='1962 Corvair 900 sedan' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[corvaircenter.com]; alt='1967 Corvair Monza 140/4-speed' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[corvaircenter.com]; alt='1968 Corvair 500 coupe' width='190' /></td>
<td><img src='[www.automation-scs.com]; alt='1983 Mexican Mustang 5.0' width='190' /></td>
<td><a href='[www.automation-scs.com&]; target='_blank'></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1962 900 sedan needs a home</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1967 Monza 140/4-spd</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1968 500 coupe (now my son's)</font></td>
<td align='center'><font size='1'>1983 Mexican Mustang 5.0</font></td>
</tr>
</table>

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