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O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: Marco_a_p ()
Date: July 31, 2011 02:52AM

Things that make you go hmmm.....
I'm sure it's been around before, first time I've seen it. I didn't write it, just some thing someone sent me.....



In the line at the store, the cashier told the older woman that she
should bring her own grocery bag because plastic bags weren't good for
the environment. The woman apologized to him and explained, "We didn't
have the green thing back in my day."

The clerk responded, "That's our problem today. The former generation
did not care enough to save our environment."

She was right, that generation didn't have the green thing in its day.

Back then, they returned their milk bottles, soda bottles and beer
bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed
and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and
over. So they really were recycled.

But they didn't have the green thing back in that customer's day.

In her day, they walked up stairs, because they didn't have an escalator
in every store and office building. They walked to the grocery store and
didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time they had to go two
blocks.

But she was right. They didn't have the green thing in her day.

Back then, they washed the baby's diapers because they didn't have the
throw-away kind. They dried clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling
machine burning up 220 volts - wind and solar power really did dry the
clothes. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters,
not always brand-new clothing.

But that old lady is right, they didn't have the green thing back in her
day.

Back then, they had one TV, or radio, in the house - not a TV in every
room.
And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief, not a screen
the size of the state of Montana . In the kitchen, they blended and
stirred by hand because they didn't have electric machines to do
everything for you.

When they packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, they used a
wadded up old newspaper to cushion it, not styrofoam or plastic bubble
wrap.

Back then, they didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut
the lawn. They used a push mower that ran on human power. They exercised
by working so they didn't need to go to a health club to run on
treadmills that operate on electricity.

But she's right, they didn't have the green thing back then.

They drank from a fountain when they were thirsty instead of using a cup
or a plastic bottle every time they had a drink of water. They refilled
their writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and they
replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole
razor just because the blade got dull.

But they didn't have the green thing back then.

Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes
to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi
service.

They had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets
to power a dozen appliances. And they didn't need a computerized gadget
to receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000 miles out in space
in order to find the nearest pizza
joint.

Isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful the old
folks were, just because they didn't have the green thing back then? WOW!!!!!

Marco
A 2nd Gen Monza Wagon, a 2nd Gen GB 8door, a 2nd Gen (61's were 1st Gen) R/s and a 62nd Gen Turbo coupe..

Hanging out with the scorpions, king snakes, road runners, coyotes and quails In the southern desert of the silver state
Mesquite NV 89024



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/31/2011 02:53AM by Marco_a_p.

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: 52bagman ()
Date: July 31, 2011 05:00AM

Seen your post somewhere else the other day, does make one think and to make everyone think.

I work as a pilot on the Ohio River. When I first started working,15 years ago, every high water you would see unbeleivable amounts of styrofome,not so much now. The unbeleivables now is plastic drink bottles and plastic containers in general.

The old plumbers rule- everything goes downhill and after that it ends up in the river.

Sam C. Saunders,Pt. Pleasant WV
68 500 cp 95 pg ash gold
66 Monza cp 110 4spd black
68 500 cp 95 3spd blue "DAIRY QUEEN CAR"

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Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: July 31, 2011 06:22AM

Marco_a_p Wrote:
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> And the TV had a small screen the size of a
> handkerchief, not a screen
> the size of the state of Montana .

the old tv w/the small screen used more power than a new tv w/a montana size screen.

-Scott V.

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: Marco_a_p ()
Date: July 31, 2011 02:30PM

Re: the tv's...

Good point about the power uaage. But what about at end of life more or less toxic petroleum basednparts and heavy metals to into the ground and into the water tables?

I know in Ca we now have a electronics disposal fee, similar to the CRV fee, but I think all that money is going to "comitee" to see what can be done to reduce electronics going to landfills.

They were also buying electronics, similar to aluminum cans etc, and giving 5¢ a pound but i have not seen as much lately.

I truely hope that they can and do recycle the old electronics and not just ship them off to other regions of the world to be dumped in the desert, the forests or rivers.

Outta site and outa mind is good way to recycle.

Marco
A 2nd Gen Monza Wagon, a 2nd Gen GB 8door, a 2nd Gen (61's were 1st Gen) R/s and a 62nd Gen Turbo coupe..

Hanging out with the scorpions, king snakes, road runners, coyotes and quails In the southern desert of the silver state
Mesquite NV 89024

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: macavs ()
Date: July 31, 2011 05:04PM

I remember the milkman delivering milk in recyclable glass jugs. Some say I look a lot like him!gggg I also remember 8 16 ounce glass bottles of pop with a deposit that were reused over and over. It wasn't me the consumer that had a problem being green it was someone else.

Told my collage attending son about the whole reusing glass bottles back in the day thing and he didn't believe me! He had to google it.

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: stitch ()
Date: July 31, 2011 06:06PM

Back in the mid '60s, my sole job at "Piggly Wiggly" was correlating the right glass bottles into the proper Wooden cases (Yes, WOODEN) so they could be recycled. Soda pop bottles were going for 2 cents a pop back then and some people brought them in by the grocery cart full and scored 4 or 5 WHOLE DOLLARS!!! ggg Yeah, we were 'Green' and didn't even know it!

"If you can't fix it with a Hammer, you have an Electrical problem."
Stitch...
Schertz, Texas.
(Smallish town/burg 17 mi. NE of San Antonio)

'Ms Penny'
!967.. 4th body
8th off the line

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: July 31, 2011 06:33PM

Only 100 years ago people were still riding horses,,using candels and oil lamps,,cooking on wood cook stoves,,plowing the fields with oxen,,as soon as a son could put boots on he was doing ranch work,,people had to work to survive,,everything was re-used or modifide for another use,,nothing was wasted,,every part of a cow or pig was used,,they were slautered by the rancher and feild dressed and salted and stored in a hand dug hole called a root cellar where that stayed cool from the ambient temperature of the earth,,my Dad was old fashioned like this and my childhood was that of someone living in 1862,,we still heat the house with wood,,still have kerosene lamps and my mom still cooks on a wood cook stove in the winter,,kids back then played cops and robbers and cowboys and indians outside,,went fishing and hiking,and would only come in at dinner time,,people were tough as nails and in good shape because they had to work to stay alive,,there were no obese kids on riddelin and prozack,,todays world,,,,kids dont know how to play or even take care of themselfs,,if it dosen't have a button to push or come in a styrofoam container they are lost,,half the kids of today don't even realize they are eating a dead cow when they go to Mcdonalds,,watch Jay leno sometimes when he does His jay walking skit,,going out on the street and asking the new generation of kids questions,,its appauling how un educated the kids of today are..we were greener back in the day.

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: 52bagman ()
Date: July 31, 2011 06:44PM

Did bthe pop bottle thing also, Krogers whils\e in High School. Spent many a Satrurday night sorting those B^$turds out.

Sam C. Saunders,Pt. Pleasant WV
68 500 cp 95 pg ash gold
66 Monza cp 110 4spd black
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Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: mdjoey ()
Date: July 31, 2011 07:04PM

When someone ordered a 'case' of soda it was 24 7 1/2 oz. bottles in a wooden crate. My job at the Grand Union was to sort the empties, did u know every Coke bottle was stamped on the bottom where it had been made! We had a map on the wall and turned over every empty to find the one that came farthest away from Long Island!

Not only did we have a milk man, a bakery truck came by and gradma brought out a plate upon which the fellow dropped the baked goods on- no plastic, no aluminum trays, nothing that would make a recycling bin necessary! When your knives (and tools) were dull, a man in a truck sharpened them, now we buy new.

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: stitch ()
Date: July 31, 2011 07:44PM

Quote
,kids back then played cops and robbers and cowboys and indians outside
This is not politically correct!! ggg! SURE we did!! Every now and then, I wanted to be the Indian, or the Robber, cause I was pretty dramatic in 'Dying'. I even had a mattel gun that would fire plastic projectiles if you put a Greenie-stickum cap on the back of the shell. And yes, Dave, my grandma lived in the Ozarks of Missouri and heated and cooked over a wood stove. Out house out back. Drew water from the well. (This all as late as the early 60's) EVERYONE had a chore or 2 no matter how young. I knew of NO obese or over weight kids back in my youth. Couldn't hardly get us inside the house at dark cause we were having so much fun runnin around! Even (Gasp) drank water from garden hoses!

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Date: July 31, 2011 08:35PM

It's interesting when my Grandchildren come to visit they don't understand that we drink water. Then we drink water out of the faucet. Are we insane?

Some of the Green movement is common sense - a very small amount of it are new ideas that are good - A great deal of it is smoke and mirrors and marketing or grabs for political power.

I mused about 10 years ago in an Commentary that we would soon have environmental "actuaries". Now we do - it's called "carbon credits". The method for regulating virtually every aspects of a person's life now has a quantitative yardstick. Watch and be concerned about what comes next.

Lon Wall
Corvairunderground.com
Recyclers of Flywheels, carburators, distributors,alternators and 50 year old cars.

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: patpaldino ()
Date: August 01, 2011 07:25AM

Nicely written, I liked it! Makes some damn good points too!

'65 vert ~ Worcester, MA

SOLD!

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: magnet ()
Date: August 01, 2011 08:08AM

I always figured that by driving an older car, it was 'green' because it was keeping it from the junkyard!

New cars have to be BUILT! Old cars are already here. Which is greener?

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: MrChips ()
Date: August 01, 2011 12:46PM

Convert the corvair to electric, then use a small turbine to provide boost / charging only when it can run at 85/90% load (Most efficient).

Then you can have the same smug look on YOUR face that the Prius owners did for so long...


Where Santiago and Live Oak Canyon intersect in Orange County, Ca

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: Marco_a_p ()
Date: August 01, 2011 01:10PM

Marco said: "Outta site and outa mind is good way to recycle"

Oooohhh... that was a BAD typo.... should have been....
"Outta site and outa mind is NOT a good way to recycle"

Marco
A 2nd Gen Monza Wagon, a 2nd Gen GB 8door, a 2nd Gen (61's were 1st Gen) R/s and a 62nd Gen Turbo coupe..

Hanging out with the scorpions, king snakes, road runners, coyotes and quails In the southern desert of the silver state
Mesquite NV 89024

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: Fast Eddie ()
Date: August 01, 2011 04:40PM

When we were kids we didn't have "Play Dates"; we just went outside & made friends. I didn't have a cell phone, I pad or Xbox. Only one TV in the house? We had one TV in the neighborhood! We invented the first skate boards from a 2x4, roller skate trucks and an old soda crate nailed to the front. I was a cowboy or a pilot, my B-17 was an old cardboard box with windows cut out of it, and boy did I bomb the hell out of Germany! (That's when I wasn’t getting shot down).

Bowie,MD

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: flamingchariots ()
Date: August 01, 2011 10:45PM

Quote
davemotohead
Only 100 years ago people were still riding horses,,using candles and oil lamps,,cooking on wood cook stoves,,plowing the fields with oxen,,as soon as a son could put boots on he was doing ranch work,,people had to work to survive,,everything was re-used or modified for another use,,nothing was wasted,,every part of a cow or pig was used,,they were slaughtered by the rancher and field dressed and salted and stored in a hand dug hole called a root cellar where that stayed cool from the ambient temperature of the earth,,my Dad was old fashioned like this and my childhood was that of someone living in 1862,,we still heat the house with wood,,still have kerosene lamps and my mom still cooks on a wood cook stove in the winter,,kids back then played cops and robbers and cowboys and indians outside,,went fishing and hiking,and would only come in at dinner time,,people were tough as nails and in good shape because they had to work to stay alive....

So true, Dave.
There are are still a lot of people who live like that around me.
We call them Amish.
Ohio's got a huge Amish population.

My wife's 75 year old mother still chop and splits her own wood, and heats her house that way... and she lives in Plattsburgh, NY.... near Uglytruk.

Kevin
Medina, OH

Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: ubuck ()
Date: August 02, 2011 08:14PM

Fast Eddie Wrote:
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> When we were kids we didn't have "Play Dates"; we
> just went outside & made friends. I didn't have a
> cell phone, I pad or Xbox. Only one TV in the
> house? We had one TV in the neighborhood! We
> invented the first skate boards from a 2x4, roller
> skate trucks and an old soda crate nailed to the
> front. I was a cowboy or a pilot...

Wow, Eddie, I didn't know you were a member of "The Little Rascals"! Or were you in the series when it was "Our Gang"?! grinning smiley

[en.wikipedia.org]

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Re: O/T: Are we "greener" now or were we "greener" then?
Posted by: Fast Eddie ()
Date: August 02, 2011 10:37PM

ubuck Wrote:
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> Fast Eddie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > When we were kids we didn't have "Play Dates";
> we
> > just went outside & made friends. I didn't have
> a
> > cell phone, I pad or Xbox. Only one TV in the
> > house? We had one TV in the neighborhood! We
> > invented the first skate boards from a 2x4,
> roller
> > skate trucks and an old soda crate nailed to
> the
> > front. I was a cowboy or a pilot...
>
> Wow, Eddie, I didn't know you were a member of
> "The Little Rascals"! Or were you in the series
> when it was "Our Gang"?! grinning smiley
>
> [en.wikipedia.org]


Close....just one generation removed.

Bowie,MD

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