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60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: teddbrown ()
Date: July 28, 2011 09:09PM

Finally happened this morning. I racked up 60,000 miles on the 68 w/ fuel Injection. This was the milestone I was waiting for to prove dependabilty. I learned alot and pretty much finalized the design. I post most photos to facebook, and I created a NEW website is www.corvair-efi.com for the EFI system only and keep the Ted stuff on Corvairnut.com. The GM Cruise control passed the 2000 miles mark and waiting to see the durability of the DC-VSS that runs the speed controller.

The car didnt seem to mind are care much about passing that milestone... it prob figured its gone 138,000 miles, so whats another 60k. I was pumped!!!

Heading to Vegas Saturday and hope to still have a house and a Car on my return.

Ted Brown
Anderson, SC
68 Convert 110/PG/EFI/DIS
61 Loadside 102/PG/EFI/Dist
61 Rampside 4 speed (Restoration starts Nov 2015)
130HP/PG/Honda Engine Project
67 Monza Cpe
61 Greenbrier
<b>**UPDATED** Corvair Fuel Injection and DIS Page</b>

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: July 29, 2011 04:11AM

Nice website...good looking parts!!!

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: 52bagman ()
Date: July 29, 2011 04:28AM

Just hanging out waiting for the kit. GGGG

Sam C. Saunders,Pt. Pleasant WV
68 500 cp 95 pg ash gold
66 Monza cp 110 4spd black
68 500 cp 95 3spd blue "DAIRY QUEEN CAR"

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: Wabbitkiller ()
Date: July 29, 2011 06:04AM

Right on!

Chris

1965 Monza 95 Convertible 4 speed

Olathe, KS (Kansas City)


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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: July 29, 2011 08:25AM

Ay... you beat the Chevrolet warrantee for a new Corvair... what more can be said? Congrats!

Corventure Dave

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: lgoodwin ()
Date: July 29, 2011 06:14PM

YAY!!! Congratulations!

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: FLSteve ()
Date: July 29, 2011 08:51PM

Alright does that come with a 60,000 mile guarantee?

Great August 16th is my b-day

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: teddbrown ()
Date: July 30, 2011 06:20AM

Good point, and I know you were kidding, but it is an issue. I did not build in warranty on used parts into the cost, but this point was one of the major sticking points of the EFI system.

I've been in the computer/networking business since 1995 and I have learned that 1 out of 100 people are completly crazy and you will not make them happy no matter what you do (most just want something free). I build my business working only for businesses because of that and has worked well me and my company. I thought about using the same business model (using installers) but then how do I know if they really know what they are doing and what is the cost benefit for all my work/design?

I plan to warranty any part that I sell for servicability. Every part will be tested before It leaves, but you can't say that a fuel regulator wont pop 2 weeks later. To rebuild the Throttle bodies from scratch is about $75.00 in parts which is what I will sell them for after I modify and check them out.

The only real problem I see is that some people may over-estimate their technical know how and assume parts are bad because of something being left disconnected, leaks, etc. The only way around that would be authorized installers, but again... gets more complicated with pricing levels, etc. The biggest thing I see would be troubleshooting during a problem. The $50 usb cable w/laptop is the simple and easy way to t/shoot this system and thinking about selling it with the system and let you send back for refund if you didnt want to keep.

I was thinking about 90 days on pick and pull parts and 180 days on manufactured parts. Most EFI Fuel pumps have life time warranties, but I want the end user to buy them so they will have local warranty service .

What do you think???

Ted Brown
Anderson, SC
68 Convert 110/PG/EFI/DIS
61 Loadside 102/PG/EFI/Dist
61 Rampside 4 speed (Restoration starts Nov 2015)
130HP/PG/Honda Engine Project
67 Monza Cpe
61 Greenbrier
<b>**UPDATED** Corvair Fuel Injection and DIS Page</b>

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: July 30, 2011 07:24AM

Individuals who overestimate their abilities will be an issue. Sick engines may confuse the EFI and folks will blame the EFI. Many folks think that a scan-tool will identify bad components where more commonly they simply report symptoms. Case in point, "O2 sensor rich" is a symptom of another problem, not a bad O2 sensor but most unknowing folks will replace the O2 sensor as a first step and when that doesn't fix it, they're mad.

In my experience, whenever an EFI-equipped vehicle malfunctions, the first thing the customer does is to blame the EFI - the part they find mysterious must be the cause of the mysterious engine issue. I can't tell you the number of folks that have brought their car to me to "find the problem with the EFI" only to discover that it's a valve, compression, or ignition issue. I often say "It's gotta be an engine first!"

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
65 Canadian Monza 4dr 110/PG 40k
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: FLSteve ()
Date: July 30, 2011 07:33AM

I think 90 days on the pick and pull is over and above 180 is just crazy. I would see someone trying to return a system or parts that were never installed that were purchased 2 years ago. I think if you sell the kit you would have to send out the instructions first to make sure the installer has 1/2 as much knowledge as he/she thinks to do the job.

Anyone installing can fry a part if not installed correctly.

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: July 30, 2011 07:55AM

Ya Ted,The biggest hurdel you might have left to jump is people,Not Being a Nay Sayer,Your system looks great and seems to work just as good,,And for you or me and other people with mechanical backgrounds it is probly an easy install,, But look how many have problems with adjusting points and then install a simple pertronix box to remedy the points and then fry it somehow,,and all along the problem with the car in the first place was a mechanical issue with the engine itself and they buy your kit thinking its a fix all,,your instructions are going to have to be detailed to the 9th degree of simplicity and your warrantee needs to be writen in a way that totaly covers your ass against that 1 in 100,,but that was 1995,,its more like 1 in 20 now,,you might be smart to contact clubs all over the US and school some members on your system so if someone buys the kit and can't figure it out there Is a trained person to help near by,,JMO

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: teddbrown ()
Date: July 30, 2011 03:57PM

As Criag Stated, some people underestimate their abilities, not trying to come off superior,but may have trouble and blame it on the EFI. Right here is guilty as charged when I had a vacuum leak. Me...mister EFI started chasing everything until i heard the hiss of a leak. A rubber blockoff for a vacuum port was separated, but you could not tell by looking.. so yes it can and will happen.

I plan to run all components on the test engine I have and record it for reference. Having a laptop and diag cable, I could troubleshoot 90% just by asking/remoting into the screen.

The last install we had a vacuum leak caused by a bad cross-over tube. This created a horrible leak and of course,we changed out the injector with the same results until we found it. He was not EFI happy until I showed-up and found the leak. He is more than happy now and cant keep him out of the van. I would love to do a installer program and sell the kits to them as a reseller,but how do you even go down that road. I know a few of you on here and know you know what your talking about, but I have had some just want the chip. The chip may not cost that much, but is the heart of all the work that I have done.

I never planned to "get rich" with this, and really would be suprised if I even break even. Its taken about 3 years of real hard work just to get it here.... No matter what in the world,they will be critics. Worked my whole life to keep a good name and not going to let this change it.

Ted Brown
Anderson, SC
68 Convert 110/PG/EFI/DIS
61 Loadside 102/PG/EFI/Dist
61 Rampside 4 speed (Restoration starts Nov 2015)
130HP/PG/Honda Engine Project
67 Monza Cpe
61 Greenbrier
<b>**UPDATED** Corvair Fuel Injection and DIS Page</b>

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: FLSteve ()
Date: July 30, 2011 05:02PM

WOW if more men were like you this would would be a better place. Ted you have me sold on my next project.

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: ron L ()
Date: July 30, 2011 06:00PM

If I hadn't just paid for bodywork I would be in line. How long do you intend to keep this up? Are you limiting the total number of kits?

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: teddbrown ()
Date: July 30, 2011 06:53PM

I plan as many as needed. GM parts are easy except for the TBI-700, so that wont be the issue. I have 12 sets of throttle body adapters made initially. After these are gone, I will have to look at making them again and look at price, I plan to have 3 kits for sale come 15 Aug 2011.

FC and wagons would benefit from redesign since they are so tall that it will not allow lid to close after air cleaners are installed.

A vendor sent me a nice letter wishing me luck on the project. He told me his experiences with all the time and money he spent to only sell one kit, but had plenty of offers to "test" it for him. He also said my kit was more inline with Corvair markets and said I should do great... but does make me wonder.

My welding and machining skills are average and not perfect and others may find better ways to make parts.... no problem. As far as support, I will continue to be in the corvair community for a long time and more sites than mine regarding EFI are all over the internet, which is were I got my info. Im sure some smart guy one here will take up tuning and take the programing to the next level. Right now, I have to get this ECM on the market and quit the redesigns that slow me down time after time. I think facebook may also be a good place for support within the Corvair EFI and so everyone can join into the Conversation/troubleshooting/discussion. This forum would be good, but would bore all the non-efi'ers

Ted

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: July 30, 2011 10:47PM

Funny j3m,,I understand your admiration of Teds system and I respect your enthusiasum for the VW crowd,,but what about us corvair guys? You always disapoint me with your statements that corvairs are rustbuckets and the stock carbs, "Dizzys" and engines are junk,,I have owned various VW's over the years and think corvairs are a much better car than a VW will ever be,,I even had a VW bus with a corvair engine and will take a greenbrier over the VW bus anyday,,What Ted is doing is awsome and wonderful,,but he is doing it in a corvair,,when will you give our little cars some credit that is due to them instead of always discrediting them? I have carbs and distributors in my cars and you know what,,they run great,,my heater does not smell,,my cars dont leak oil,,they dont smell like gas,,and I would have no problem driving them anywhere and drive one almost daily.

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Re: 60,000 mile mark on the Fuel Injection System
Posted by: teddbrown ()
Date: July 31, 2011 05:46AM

Im thinking about an installer program that will give the training/knowledge for installation/maintaining. I have not worked out any details, but one requirement would be laptop w/internet accessand diag cable. I could remote in and see what the engine is doing if the installer is having a problem. I do it with the computer business daily.

This would also give the DIY people that get in over their heads a place to go for help and you also make the labor from that.

If anyone is interested PM me.

Ted

Ted Brown
Anderson, SC
68 Convert 110/PG/EFI/DIS
61 Loadside 102/PG/EFI/Dist
61 Rampside 4 speed (Restoration starts Nov 2015)
130HP/PG/Honda Engine Project
67 Monza Cpe
61 Greenbrier
<b>**UPDATED** Corvair Fuel Injection and DIS Page</b>

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