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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: Caraholic4life ()
Date: February 23, 2011 05:10PM

There is a BIG difference between a Mechanic and a Parts Replacer.

Unfortunately the dealerships are full of parts replacers and very few actually have any mechanic's any more.

I would not take my worst enemy's Corvair to a dealership.

1962 95 F.C. Van
1965 Monza Coupe
Westminster, Maryland

MID ENG enthusiast &
prior Kelmark owner.

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: ck_vair ()
Date: February 23, 2011 05:45PM

I agree with you "Caraholic4life" 100% percent. In addition, many "Parts Replacers" hear the word "Corvair" and immediately think "Corvette".

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: May 01, 2018 11:43AM

I'm tempted to try this except for how expensive a single visit to my dealer is. I think they want almost $200 just to pop the hood.

Eric C. Player
Porterville, CA
- National Member, CORSA
- Member: Central Coast CORSA
- Former Member: Vintage CORSA Orange County & South Coast CORSA Los Angeles California Chapters. Member, ISA (Int. Screenwriter's Assn.), SAG Eligible, and Producer's Guild Aspirant


* Then: 1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red/1965 Monza 110 Purple/
1967 Monza 140 Red/1966 500 110 Black/1965 Monza 110 Yellow
* Now: 1966 Corsa 180 Turbo Project. Getting there.



"Chevrolet's Corvair was a maverick machine, a rear-engined renegade born out of spite and genius." -- Sports Car Graphic, August 1969

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: Nick_Soapdish ()
Date: May 01, 2018 12:09PM

playerpage Wrote:
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> I think they want almost $200 just to pop the hood.

"Found your problem. No engine up here."

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: bobg1951chevy ()
Date: May 01, 2018 02:21PM

danyarger Wrote:
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> I'm not going to do this, I'm just trying to get a
> group oppinion about if someone brought an old car
> like a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
> for repair, what would the knowledge of the
> mechanics about to work on it be, and would they
> even agree to work on it. I'm guessing the service
> manager, would turn us away. Whats your oppinion?
> Would they agree to work on it? Would it end up
> worse than when you brought it in?

If you read various car forums, you'll discover many folks working on a car today have zero knowledge about basics, such as carbs, dwell or timing.

In addition, when you consider many of the hired Chevy techs were BORN in 1990 or later, there's not much hope of getting a Corvair repaired ...... correctly at a current GM repair facility.

I DID work for Chevy for many years, if a Corvair came to my door today, I would have to politely refuse any Corvair repair, just to save a pile of trouble, knowing the crew had no Corvair expertise.

Bob G., Hendersonville, NC

1951 Chevy Styleline Deluxe 2 door sedan. Purchased in 2000.

1969 Corvair 500 Coupe. # 2671. Purchased in 2017.

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: eddieb ()
Date: May 01, 2018 04:05PM

In my opinion forget it. These are not mechanics just replacement specialists. When I had my '64 convertible I took it to a local chevy dealer, six of the eight salesmen didn't have a clue what it was. I offered to let them display it in their showroom for a weekend and they said "we sell new cars not old ones"! EddieB Dade City,Fl

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: May 01, 2018 04:20PM

This does not only apply to Corvairs. Almost any classic car is no longer welcome at a new car dealer service department.

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: Brizo ()
Date: May 01, 2018 06:54PM

I guess you'd say I'm semi-retired because I still work Tuesdays and Wednesdays at the Chevy dealer where I've worked on Corvairs since 1965. I worked on Corvairs almost daily in the'70s and by the '80s maybe a few a month. Today, only a few come to the dealer in the summer, but now I work on more of them at home. So people at our shop are accustomed to seeing Corvairs and they're welcome. And on the days I'm not there, my son will work on them. Both of our alignment machines have Corvairs on the programs too. And our shop has two Tech-1 scanners because I work on a lot of older Vettes and other collector Chevys in the summer. Most Corvair owners don't know that I was the shop "Corvette guy" for over 30 years. So actually I've repaired more Vetts than anything else - but people think its strange that I've never owned one.

Dan Brizendine,
'64 8door Greenbrier 140 PG. "In beautiful Wanamaker Indiana...with one stop light and 5 pizza shops"

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: May 01, 2018 07:07PM

I took my Camaro into the Statesboro Ga Chevrolet dealership. Car had a steering walk when turning or a jump other people would call it. Service Manager and writer came out and said they don't work on cars over 15 years old. I needed to take it to a tire place where they probably could help me. This after I spent over 90k for 2 vehicles less than 18 months earlier and I am very familiar in the service area.

Nope, dealer's don't want any old cars cluttering up their money making machine. They don't realize some of us have money for new vehicles and old vehicles. And really don't care if we do. They want us to buy new.

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
2015 GMC Sierra SLT Crew Cab
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: Unsafe140 ()
Date: May 01, 2018 09:53PM

One word: nil
My wife drives a Volt (we think of it as the corvair of today) and we love it as a commuter and errand runner. The Chevy dealer experience one word:sucks.
When it comes to the dealer we miss our old Acura TL tremendously

Joel
Cave Creek, AZ
1965 Corsa 140 tele

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: glivorsi ()
Date: May 02, 2018 07:13AM

Unsafe140 Wrote:
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> One word: nil
> My wife drives a Volt (we think of it as the
> corvair of today) and we love it as a commuter and
> errand runner.

Funny you mention that. On the way to work this morning I passed a Volt on the highway that had it's charge port cover partially open. I laughed to myself that it was in the same left fender location as the Corvair fuel filler door!

Greg in Wildwood, MO (part of the St. Louis urban sprawl)

1965 Monza Vert 110PG, Crocus Yellow with black interior and top

2014 Honda Accord V6 (DD)
2017 Honda Pilot (wifemobile)
2012 Chevy Sonic 1.8L (kid's car)
1997 Honda CBR1100XX
2006 Mazdaspeed 6 (no longer own)

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: May 02, 2018 07:52AM

Bob wrote: "If you read various car forums, you'll discover many folks working on a car today have zero knowledge about basics, such as carbs, dwell or timing."

Craig replies: That's because those things are no longer relevant and haven't been applicable to contemporary cars for 20-30 years while dealership usually don't see much that's over 10-15 years old.

One of our younger club members is a top-level GM Tech (100%) and he told me a story about one of his fuel system classes taken 10-years ago. Near the end of the class, a student asked: "When are we going to learn about carburetors?". The instructor replied: "We aren't going to go into carburetors; you're going to be working at a new-car dealership!"smoking smiley

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: Monza109 ()
Date: May 02, 2018 09:37AM

Why would they entertain taking on repairs to any 50+ year old vehicle?
Waiting for parts, can't find parts, spending an inordinate amount of time serching for parts. Also, being so old it's bound to have many problems to repair with more developing as they get into it. As I've heard with other repaur shops too they know the Corvair customer probably won't be willing to pay much anyhow. In short, the entire job would simply slow them down, clog up their production schedule and prevent them from working on newer cars which are faster and more profitable.



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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: Brizo ()
Date: May 02, 2018 07:37PM

Work at a dealership shop isn't as fast and profitable as some of you guys seem to think. There's no production schedule. Most repairs are under warranty and the car makers are constantly searching for ways to cut the labor time for repairs and thereby pay us less. Parts for cars far less than 10 years old are frequently being discontinued. Owners find parts on Ebay and deliver them to the shop. We have more techs than we need so we frequently run out of work, and since nearly all dealer techs are paid only a percentage of the labor they turn out(no salary) that means if you not working on something - your not making any money! Its common to have cars torn down in the shop for two or three weeks. Why? Here's some common reasons: Customer is trying to find money. ----.Waiting on the extended warranty company to ok the job ( or find a way to deny coverage)--Waiting on back-ordered parts.---Waiting on the warranty company to send us "their parts" from across the country because they don't want to pay our price. And labor paid for "recall operations" is always less than normal to replace a given part, that way the maker looses less money. Any guesses as to why there's a shortage of qualified auto repair techs?

Dan Brizendine,
'64 8door Greenbrier 140 PG. "In beautiful Wanamaker Indiana...with one stop light and 5 pizza shops"



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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: jimc ()
Date: May 02, 2018 09:00PM

Even our Porsche dealership, Aristocrat, turned away my friend when he attempted to setup an appointment for his 1983 911SC for CIS adjustment, after I rebuilt the motor. He was told that their mechanics, I mean techs, did not know anything about the old air cooled Porsches.

Fortunately we do have several classic car garages, in our area, for fall back repairs.

Jimc
1965 Corsa
HACOA Member

CORSA 2017 Concours Senior Gold Award
AACA 2015 Award

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: ljahn ()
Date: May 03, 2018 09:08AM

Took my original owner 63 Spyder conertble to Anthem Chevrolet in Hoopeston, IL for an oil change, tire rotation, and front end alignment last week.
Lawrence Jahn

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: May 03, 2018 09:38AM

A club member related last night at the club meeting how he took his gorgeous Spyder into his favorite Chevy dealer for an oil change (where he is well known and has bought many new Corvettes through the years). He provided the correct oil and filter and yet they still screwed up the job.

Even in its day, most dealers treated the Corvair like a red-headed bastard step-child so why do you expect they will treat it any different today?

This whole topic was a silly question to ask back in 2011 (when the thread started) and even sillier to continue to discuss today in 2018 (but I posted anyway).

grinning smiley grinning smiley grinning smiley


Dave W. / Gilbert Arizona
66 Corsa 140 4-speed w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 140 4-speed w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 140 4-speed
65 Corsa 140 4-speed
66 Corsa 455 Toro V8
65 Monza 455 Toro V8
65 Monza 110 Convertible
65 Monza 4DR 140 PG w/factory A/C
65 Monza 4DR EJ20T w/5-speed




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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: May 03, 2018 10:03AM

How do you screw up an oil change? Oh wait never mind, I don't want to know. I hope the screw up was minor. Many people don't realize the amount of liability that goes into a LOF.

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: geezer43 ()
Date: May 03, 2018 11:37AM

Not too long ago I took my 84 F 150 to a dealer for minor work that even I used to be able to do and they refused me, truck is too old. Never mind that I bought it there new in 1984 and had it serviced there for years when I worked close to the dealership. Stupidity affects the F brand as well.

Recently I took my 63 Corvair to have the differential and transmission levels checked. I went to the brake shop I have been using for years for rotations and oil changes and was turned away with the comment that I ought to take it to a speed shop for work. They have serviced and done brakes on about 5 vehicles I have owned in the past 10 years. Lots of stupidity there too. I can't get under the cars any more so I'm stuck.

Jim Johnson, Chandler, Arizona
63 Monza convertible

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Re: Bringing a Corvair to a modern day Chevy dealership
Posted by: Spectre ()
Date: May 03, 2018 12:47PM

Nobody wanting to work on carburetors anymore reminded me of a shop I saw near Tinker AFB on Tuesday called "The Carburetor Shop". A quick Google search shows they are family-owned and have been here since 1967.

David Clamp


1965 Corsa convertible - 140 4spd/3.55/AM-FM

2013 Mustang GT convertible - 5.0, 6spd auto, Procharger i-1

2003 Miata SE - 6spd manual (wife's toy)

"Victory is mine!" - SG

Oklahoma City, OK

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