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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: Scott V ()
Date: August 12, 2010 01:12PM

calif factory 1967 a/c w/smog. smog stuff was removed.

-Scott V.

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: Richard ()
Date: August 12, 2010 03:23PM

What is found on one year may not always be true for other years or even early/late of the same.

Dan, I assume your scans are from the '66 Assembly manual. These scans are from the '65.

The first scan is from the L87 Turbo option pages. #1 is part # 3851894 for the upper "Shroud". The oval "Connector", #8 is part #3851897. The oval "Hose" #4 is part # 3863667.

The second scan is a page from the C64 section that has a circled #11 in the upper right of the page. It list #3851894 "Shroud ASM - Eng Upper" as the same shroud as the Turbo engine.

The third scan, also from the AC pages, has a note in the upper right that lists parts used from the L87 Turbo option. The same oval hose and connector are used.

I think the only rule you can count on with these '60s cars is that there are always exceptions to the rules.

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: August 12, 2010 03:28PM

AC or No AC... I'm just Glad Cody swapped in a Turbo Fan shroud on the 67...

I hate that long hose....

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: acardon ()
Date: August 12, 2010 04:32PM

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"calif factory 1967 a/c w/smog. smog stuff was removed."

That sure looks like a 140 compressor bracket. I thought they did away with the muffler on the compressor sometime in 66. My 66 Corvair, that I bought new, never had a muffler on the compressor pressure line. The 66 assembly manual shows a muffler, but that page was printed in Aug of 65.

Don
Southlake, Texas
The Trunk Belongs in Front, Ask Any Elephant
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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: August 12, 2010 04:49PM

I just received a 95 horse engine out of an A/C equipt 67 500 and it has the same housing as my 66 turbo.

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: aeroned ()
Date: August 12, 2010 09:14PM

Technically, the fresh air hose is a bad idea. It's taking "cool" air off the top of the motor, instead of using it to cool the engine. If the hose get's broken, that's bad too. The air isn't really that cool.

IMO block off the opening in the turkey roaster and leave the hose off the heater box. The cool air from under the car is cooler than the motor and the open should be out of road dirt enough to not mess up the operation of the mixer door in the box.

Both of my cars have it blocked off.

Ned

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: sweet66monza ()
Date: August 12, 2010 10:59PM

MattNall Wrote:
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> AC or No AC... I'm just Glad Cody swapped in a
> Turbo Fan shroud on the 67...
>
> I hate that long hose....


I did?? are you sure?

Cody Hurley
North Idaho (Post Falls)
66 Monza convertible 140/PG, loaded with factory options
66 Corsa turbo coupe, 3rd owner fully documented [corvaircenter.com]
65 Monza coupe daily driver 110/4
Also 2 Ford f350 IDI diesels, six Jeep FC 170s, 1966 Jeep CJ5A, 03 neon, 5 Rokon Trailbreakers, Honda xr350s, and thousands of parts


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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: Scott V ()
Date: August 12, 2010 11:30PM

acardon Wrote:
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> "calif factory 1967 a/c w/smog. smog stuff was
> removed."
>
>
> That sure looks like a 140 compressor bracket. I
> thought they did away with the muffler on the
> compressor sometime in 66. My 66 Corvair, that I
> bought new, never had a muffler on the compressor
> pressure line. The 66 assembly manual shows a
> muffler, but that page was printed in Aug of 65.

i took the pics just the other day on 8/11. i saw the car @ a local vair shop. ill stop by tomorrow & if its there i will get some more info.

-Scott V.

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: monzagal ()
Date: August 13, 2010 04:50AM

I checked on my car last night when I got home my shroud under my condenser is located on the drivers side--- then on the passenger side of the turkey roaster.. someone took some time to great a very nice plate to cover it up. It is however screwed in so should be easy enough to remove.

My curiosity is why would someone take the time to block it off in this fashion?

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: acardon ()
Date: August 13, 2010 07:46AM

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"My curiosity is why would someone take the time to block it off in this fashion?"

You could get a Corvair without a heater, that had those vents blocked off with factory plates. It's in Section C48, page A2 "Less Heater Equiptment" of the 66 Assembly manual. Why anyone would want "Less Heater", I have no idea. eye popping smiley I agree with Aeroned, I don't think that they serve a purpose, especially in Texas.

Don
Southlake, Texas
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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: monzagal ()
Date: August 13, 2010 07:58AM

Mine has a heater but yeah I imagine that it has been a Texas car either they didn't ever USE the heater -- and if we do go somewhere where there is snow.. I won't be driving it in the winter anyway..

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to go ahead and get it hooked up

But if I never plan on using the heater.....confused smiley ahhh details details..

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: The Stig ()
Date: August 13, 2010 08:00AM

To stray a bit.... In the '67 Pictures Scott V posted... The condenser has that shrouding piece along the top. Was that a '67 only detail or a running change? I have never seen that before. Gives it a finished look and probably helps the condenser cooling. Anyone have one laying around?

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: monzagal ()
Date: August 13, 2010 08:06AM

I'd be interested in that as well. The PO must have slammed the air filter cleaner into mine a couple hundred times I had to straigten a bunch of the fins out along the middle and top. That would help protect things a bit better also...

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: August 13, 2010 08:19AM

Regarding driver's side and passenger side fresh air outlets... In addition to factory-installed A/C equipment, there were also identical dealer-installed A/C kits. The dealer kits used exactly the same A/C parts, though I'm not sure if the kit had the upper shroud or not. At any rate, enterprising mechanics are always looking for ways to reduce labor time since they get paid a flat-rate for a given job. I suspect that dealer installed A/C would not get the driver's side fresh air outlet, either because the upper shroud wasn't in the kit or because the mechanic (correctly) concluded that he could trim about an hour off of the install time by skipping it.

A second possibility is an engine-swap somewhere in the intervening decades using a motor with the incorrect, passenger side outlet.

If the motor code indicates a C.A.C. (Custom Air Conditioning), then the passenger side shroud is an enigma.

If the motor code indicates a conventional motor, then either the AC was dealer installed or the engine was swapped, IMO.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
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Re: Running AC during Hot weather
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: August 13, 2010 08:30AM

monzagal Wrote:
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> #3 It makes me a bit nervous to use it when it is
> so hot out becasue of bogging things down..
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MG, you need not worry about "bogging down"...that's just the HP that the compressor takes to run....and you have a modern Comp.! The Old A6 took considerably more!

All you need to worry about is:


1 Does the engine PING

2 Does the TEMP light come on..

If neither... drive on!

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: monzagal ()
Date: August 13, 2010 08:31AM

Well in my case I already know my engine was swapped out at some point. I still have to get the numbers of the heads to solve the mystery.. hope to do that this weekend.

a 65 from what I've learned here shouldn't have the condensor on the firewall--- mind does- and the compressor has been updated to a sanden compessor..

So right now I have a drivers side shroud (covered by a plate) and a passenger side connection

Its interesting to see all the variations of AC/Heater units on the LM's But like I was saying whoever covered the hole in the turkey roaster did a good job it looks like it would have almost been "factory"

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: The Stig ()
Date: August 13, 2010 08:32AM

My 23k '66 500 140PG with the hose on the passenger side has the original motor (Factory not dealer installed AC, and protecto plate) and had sat since '70. Maybe it is a 140 thing.

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<img src="[farm4.static.flickr.com]; width="375" height="500" alt="DSCN3746" /></a>

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Re: A/C Condensor against the firewall pic request
Posted by: texas yenko dude ()
Date: August 13, 2010 10:28AM

Stig,

Of the two 66' Corsa coupes with factory A/C I have/had were mixed. The Marina Blue car I pieced 20+ years ago had it on the left and the Aztec Bronze car I have now and have owned for 20 years has it on the right. All of the other 110hp 66 and 67's with factory A/C I have and/or have had have always been on the left. Maybe it is a 140 thing.

Texas YENKO Dude
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YS-199
YS-320
Southeast of Disorder


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