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Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: Mike J ()
Date: March 10, 2009 09:31PM

Wasn't someone on this site working with someone like Air Ride Technologies on a Corvair kit?

Did anything ever come out of that? I did a search, but must have put in the wrong words.

Tony L? Mr Pro vair himself? Was it you? Did it happen?

Just checking.

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: Menace Kustoms ()
Date: March 11, 2009 05:28AM

I'm interested too!

Josh

1961 Corvair "Targa" - The Monkey Paw
It's umm, not stock and it's FOR SALE!

1962 Corvair Monza Coupe - La Vida Baja
4 Speed with a 2 carb 140 and a tune up, lol.

1963 Corvair 700 Sedan - The Parts Pile
PG and a 85

Buy my cars - $1500 for the 62, $300 for the 63, $750 for the 61.

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: "UNSAFE" ()
Date: March 11, 2009 05:36AM

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"UNSAFE"
Kevin Willson
65 Monza
Juneau. Alaska

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: Mike J ()
Date: March 11, 2009 03:13PM

HA, Kevin, you always seem to make me laugh.

Bags & Turbos huh? gggg

Mike J
Northern Calif
Rescue, CA

65 Corsa ~ Sold !!
www.fquick.com/MikesGarage

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: Noah ()
Date: March 11, 2009 03:35PM

Since no one else has added any info here, I'll try.
Tom Scalzi of Vairhouse (website closed) had an em with air ride that I believe his wife Trisha (?) drove.
IMHO:
The obvious difficulty of adapting air bags is fabricating new mounting points for the shocks, and...
I'm sure its possible, although I've read that getting it tuned right for pleasant and safe driving is a little more complicated.
As you adjust air pressure to the bags, you change ride height and spring stiffness. Two variables at once. That means you may find the stiffness you like without the ideal ride height. You would need to fabricate new air bag mounts, perhaps cutting into body panels.
That being said, air bags have a progressive spring rate. Meaning as you compress the bag from wheel travel, the spring becomes more stiff. This probably makes them a little more forgiving to less than perfect set-up.

Noah
Milwaukee

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: Menace Kustoms ()
Date: March 11, 2009 04:01PM




These would take some of the difficulty out of the shock situation since it is internal, and adjustable. If we could get Air Ride to make one with the right overall length and travel, then the problem with finding the ideal ride height and spring rate would also be solved.

Josh

1961 Corvair "Targa" - The Monkey Paw
It's umm, not stock and it's FOR SALE!

1962 Corvair Monza Coupe - La Vida Baja
4 Speed with a 2 carb 140 and a tune up, lol.

1963 Corvair 700 Sedan - The Parts Pile
PG and a 85

Buy my cars - $1500 for the 62, $300 for the 63, $750 for the 61.

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: Mike J ()
Date: March 11, 2009 06:11PM

I was looking at the "shock" type bags. If you remove the coil spring, don't you think these would work?

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: gwydionjhr ()
Date: March 11, 2009 06:20PM

Here is the Tri-5 Chev Shockwave. I looked this up before, and I believe the total extended length is around 12", perfect for a EM or FC, Front AND Rear.



I see the right type of upper and lower mounts as well. Provided there is clearance for the dia. of the bags, shouldn't this be a bolt in?

Regards,
Joel Rushworth
1961 Rampside w/Deluxe Scamper Camper
1966 Corsized Cdn Monza Coupe
1967 UV #292
"Kick the Hell out of the Status Quo" - Ed Cole

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: Menace Kustoms ()
Date: March 11, 2009 06:28PM

Yea, that's what I was thinking. If only they weren't so gosh darn expensive. I guess they do save you money on install though,

Josh

1961 Corvair "Targa" - The Monkey Paw
It's umm, not stock and it's FOR SALE!

1962 Corvair Monza Coupe - La Vida Baja
4 Speed with a 2 carb 140 and a tune up, lol.

1963 Corvair 700 Sedan - The Parts Pile
PG and a 85

Buy my cars - $1500 for the 62, $300 for the 63, $750 for the 61.

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: gwydionjhr ()
Date: March 11, 2009 06:33PM

We did seperate bags and shocks on the front of my buddies FC, and while it works, it was a ton of work, and there just wasn't a perfect spot to remote mount the shocks. Hindsight being 20/20, the extra dough for the shockwaves would make for a much easier/cleaner installation.

It's what I'll be putting on my RS. (Combined with my 2" drop spindles, it's going to be slammin'! smiling bouncing smiley )

Regards,
Joel Rushworth
1961 Rampside w/Deluxe Scamper Camper
1966 Corsized Cdn Monza Coupe
1967 UV #292
"Kick the Hell out of the Status Quo" - Ed Cole

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: Noah ()
Date: March 11, 2009 07:19PM

I think you guys have the right idea.
I was shopping around for a used Lincoln airbag system to try on the Rampside. Figured adjustable spring rate would have to be good with all the "porpoising" this thing does!
Joel, I'd love to hear/see more of your buddies FC.

Noah
Milwaukee

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: gwydionjhr ()
Date: March 11, 2009 07:36PM

I'll see what I can do.

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: March 11, 2009 09:49PM

I've installed a couple of these systems on 50's cars. Here a couple of thoughts: You have to work with the Air-Ride people to get a unit that has the right spring rate at the installed height.

Four-valve control units are a must - if the front's and rears are Tee'd together, that means air can transfer left to right. When you go around a corner the car will lean and the lean will continue until the bags re-equalize. The only resistance to lean is the sway bar, so vehicles without sway bars (and tee'd bags) will lean dramatically. (Think Keystone Cops).

You need a big alternator; The pumps seem to run all the time and they're big an noisy. Really noisy.

Run the system through an ignition-driven relay. If not, the system will cycle to maintain pressure while parked and not only will it keep the neighbors awake, it will kill your battery dead.

And lastly, install safety stops so that when (not IF) a line fails and the car drops, it won't drag on the ground, which makes control (like steering) rather difficult.

I'm no expert but I thought I'd share what I've learned along the way...

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
66 Red Monza 2dr 140/4 EFI 60k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
65 Cypress Green Monza 140/4 4dr
65 White 4-dr 110/AC/PG (parts)
64 GB -CrUnChEd (donor)


20 Tons of parts in boxes

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Posted by: nodice5542 ()
Date: March 11, 2009 09:52PM

My 8-door

Ride hight where I'am



Ride hight where I want to be.

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Re: Air Ride Suspension ????? eye popping smiley
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: March 11, 2009 10:01PM

I meant to say "left's and rights" tee'd together, not F/R. Sorry grinning smiley

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
66 Red Monza 2dr 140/4 EFI 60k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
65 Cypress Green Monza 140/4 4dr
65 White 4-dr 110/AC/PG (parts)
64 GB -CrUnChEd (donor)


20 Tons of parts in boxes

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