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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: hharp ()
Date: October 06, 2008 03:51PM

I like the $6000 price if there is $3500 in the glove box in unmarked bills

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: Bassett ()
Date: October 06, 2008 04:37PM

Perry, I beg to not agree with what you are saying here. I NEVER said I thought it was worth more because of it being a 69 and the last ones made. I never said that! The reason I said $6000.00 was because Dave told me that would be a fair price. And the $9000.00 was a long time ago when it was in better shape and the economy was better. Now he evidently doesn't think it is worth $6000.00. Of course I want as much as I can get out of it. Who wouldn't. Please don't all make me sound like a greedy person. I'm not. I was just stating what someone told me. Thank you. Bonnie

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: TIBCO ()
Date: October 06, 2008 04:58PM

Cars are like real estate. They are only worth what someone is willing to pay. I would be thousands ahead of the game right now if I could have bought that car rather than the one I have now. At least it is drivable. Classic cars seem to be about the only solid investment these days.

Cliff Tibbitts
Lexington, KY
CORSA, CKCE
66 Monza, 140/4sp

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 06, 2008 05:28PM

Ms. Bassett, I doubt anyone thinks that.. Words can sound harsh..

We just feel you've decided on a price based on heresay... [ common]

I bought my 1969 Monza Cp with 47k original / one owner... 4 speed 110

$800 and it's the 11th to the last one assembled!

We've seen several go for $15k.. and a 65 vert at Barrett- Jackson go for $29, etc...




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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: MonzaDave ()
Date: October 06, 2008 05:58PM

Actually, I said that in better times $6K would be a good price. In today's market, who knows -- especially with the events of the last few days. To get the best price you'll need to find the right person. Corvair people are notoriously "frugal". The right person will value the car's originality and have the money to go with it.

To put things in perspective, I have a very well optioned '69 that I bought new (I checked almost every bos on the order form). The paint has been stripped and parts of the drivetrain have been removed for painting. The mileage is 25K and I would expect to get about $3.5K as is.

Another view is that your car at $6,000 with a good re-paint will a better buy than a car that needs a lot of restoration. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't see it that way. Hang in there and see where it goes.

To get top money, you'll need to be patient. I'll post a notice on Virtual Vairs. I'd also suggest making a run or two at ebay. I'll send you the pictures I took to use should you decide to go that route.

Finally, don't let anything posted here get under your skin. Some of the comments can appear to be rather harsh. Some of the people who are making the comments really are that way and some just sound that way. The good thing is that your car is getting visibility. Someone out there wants this car bad enough to pay a good price.

Btw, Matt Nall always seems to find good cars a LOT cheaper than the rest of us.

To all, Bonnie is a really nice person who clearly wants to get as much as she can for her car. There is nothing wrong with that and she has a very special car.

Dave Keillor
Rochester, MN



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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: perrya ()
Date: October 06, 2008 07:43PM

Bonnie, meant nothing more than to convey the facts. I bought a 65, that is close to being equal to your 69 and a convertible for $3500. So, and I tried to explain, if all things were equal and the only difference was one is a corvair and another was a mustang, the mustang would bring in 10k or more, the vair, half that. I say, try to get what you want, but be prepared to drop to 4-5K.These are bad economic times and owning a vair is buying something you don't really need.

perry

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: eds ()
Date: October 07, 2008 05:59AM

Yeah, Bonnie - I didn't mean to be rude or anything. Just that I often hear people saying what they thing their XYZ is "worth." In my mind, it is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay you - not a penny more.

I'm in a similar boat regarding my house. A couple of years ago we had realtors tell us it should be listed at $X00,000. Well, maybe we should have sold it then. Or maybe we wouldn't have gotten that price. But today we would be lucky to get 4/5 of that number. So what is it "worth"?

I don't know your financial situation, but the car's value sure isn't going to increase by letting it deteriorate. And even if no one is willing to give you more than $3K, I don't understand why you would turn your nose up at $3K, and instead, let it rot. What would be the reason for that? Just saying such a thing sounds kinda silly to me.

I really don't think there is ongoing collusion among the entire world of Corvair buyers, keeping them from offering what your car is truly "worth." Just the same way you are seeking the best deal you can find, so is every potential buyer. Heck - if it were next year and I had the cash freed up, I might seriously consider buying yours at the asking price. Tho I would far prefer either a vert or a stick, the awesome condition of your car might sway me. But I'm not in the market right now...

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: wcelliot ()
Date: October 07, 2008 06:22AM

Perry, there is simply no comaprison between a '65 convertible with "normal" miles and a '69 with 10k. Completely different market factors and the cars have virtually nothing in common value-wise.

When comparing west coast cars, add $2000 to the price tag because that's about what it's taking to get one back east now. Cars like this are much much rarer in the midwest and east coast than CA.

And one can also not compare 10k miles (which is very rare)to 25k or 30k which is much more common... the different in value due to the miles alone is substantial.

A few years ago an aquaintance bought a 12k mile '69 in similar shape (with a cheapish but acceptable new paint job); I think he paid in the $8000-9000 range. He drove the car for a few years until it had about 30k on it (and a similar but slightly deteriorated overall cosmetic condition) then sold for about $3500.

In today's market NOTHING is selling at the moment and fall is not the time to sell anyway... I would wait until April or May to begin in earnest.

Good luck!

Bill

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: perrya ()
Date: October 07, 2008 07:39AM

Selling anything is always a gamble. A month or so ago, there was a CA 65 vair 500 with a 140, interior was mint, ran OK, exterior was fine, and the guy refused to drop it below 2K. I was interested but I did not buy it because it was a PG and had bench seat. I asked him to drop it to $1700, no way. So i shopped and found the 67 in Colorado, almost rust free, 4 spd, nice interior, just needs paint for $900. Shipped to CA for $600. It will look new as soon as I paint it.

If Bonnie really want to sell it and her financial situation demands it, time and need will eventually force her to drop the price as the car is not doing her any good sitting around. Its like selling a sony $300 monitor at a garage sale for $50, because it has become obsolete. It was not doing any good in my garage, it worked perfectly. My choice was to make $50 or donate it.

Perry

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: Bassett ()
Date: October 07, 2008 01:33PM

If Bonnie really want to sell it and her financial situation demands it,


Sorry, I'm not rich but not in dire need of money at this time. I want to sell it because it is costing me money to store it, mostly

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 07, 2008 01:34PM

Bonnie, right now Ebay let's you list the car for FREE! only pay $125 IF it sells!

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: thumper477 ()
Date: October 08, 2008 05:04AM

door pillar rot? a sure sign of late model corvair incurable cancer.6,000 dollars? not likely from us corvair cheapskates.this nice lady needs a dose of 2008 reality.the good times are over.

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: MonzaDave ()
Date: October 08, 2008 06:00AM

thumper477 Wrote:
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> door pillar rot? a sure sign of late model corvair
> incurable cancer.6,000 dollars? not likely from us
> corvair cheapskates.
The rockers are solid so this would be an easy repair. As far as cheapskates are concerned, there are more and more people who are willing to spend money on Corvairs. I know people who have spend into the 20s, 30s and beyond on Corvairs. I stopped counting at about $25K on my '65.



Dave Keillor
Rochester, MN

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: dedwinson ()
Date: October 08, 2008 08:33AM

LOL

I live in a south suburb of the TwinCities, and if I had the room and cash I probably would buy the car, but $6K is a bit steep given there will need to be new paint, some rust repair here and there etc.

Bonnie, if you can get $6K go for it. If it were my car, I would keep in mind that as it sits, the rust creeps and will shave off value from the car. I'd probably have a time limit on the market when I would consider dropping pricing.

I don't know how much it costs to store it right now, but some math could be applied to see how many months of carrying costs would you willing to take on and then still have to drop the price. You may end up after a year of carrying costs, and general deterioration of the car the net value to you is probably in the $3-4K range (End up selling for $5K but have $1K in other costs netting $6K -$1K discount - $1K other costs = $4K net value).

The question then becomes, do you sell now at the price you figure you will end up with or continue to incur carrying costs that cannot be baked into the car's value at the time you actually sell.

Everything in the market has a price that a motivated seller and buyer can agree upon. Ultimately this "value" is the price the item goes for. I can understand the emotional response to "letting it sit and rot", but removing emotions from the transaction suggests letting the car rot is not reasonable nor desireable.

Everyone on this board loves the Corvair, and everyone wants to see people get out the "true value" of each car. The challenge is each person has their own interpretation of "true value" and sometimes there is a great deal of passion in these interpretations.



Dave Edwinson
Doing Vairly well in Minnesota
'66 Vert 140HP
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Re: For Sale " The Challenge"
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 08, 2008 08:49AM

This past summer I tried to sell my 1969 51k original mile / 2 owner car...
Not show condition but 100 percent visual and everything works. $6500

Car has been clocked at 113 mph [ certified radar], has gotten over 30 mph on highway trips.

The "Market is so bad I never even got an inquiry!

Maybe I should've put some "Torque Thrusts" on it??? ggg

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: perrya ()
Date: October 08, 2008 09:38AM

It is amazing what some owners try to sell for. There is a guy back east currently trying sell his 69 vair for $950, claiming the "rarity" issue. I looked at the phone at this piece of junk, sure it runs, but so much has to be done to it that, only a guy who has a restoration fix would consider it. It has rust. Now, compare that to my 67 I got for $900, that so far only needs paint and minor things. He will never sell this, its been for sale for 4-5 mos already. Then you see someone try to sell a mint vair for like 8-10k, dream on, dude.

perry

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: dedwinson ()
Date: October 08, 2008 10:01AM

I bought my '66 Vert for $750. Add in the towing charge to my house, and I got in for just under $1,000. Probably a bit high, but I do have to factor in I also got a 4spd tranny and diff as part of the deal as well as a bunch of extra parts.

I still have a boatload of resto to do. New front floors, new trunk floor, new rockers, patch front and back wheel wells, replace bottom of windsheild, rebuild tunnel pan etc.

Did I pay too much? Hard to say. Engine is a 140 and runs very smooth as is and doesn't leak. To me this is already nearly half the value of the car (to someone else they might think I am nuts). Add in the extra tranny and diff, I probably in decent shape. My goal though wasn't to get an inexpensive car to drive right away. I wanted a project car that I can work on and eventually drive.

Honestly, I don't even know if driving it is an overwhelming obsession at this point. I am having as much fun, doing the body work etc. as I would driving. Again it is the motivation thing. What gets your motor running.

Dave Edwinson
Doing Vairly well in Minnesota
'66 Vert 140HP
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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: Terry Kalp ()
Date: October 08, 2008 10:37AM

Bonnie,

Another avenue to advertise you Corvair would be the CORSA classifieds, if you are not a CORSA member, Dave could put it on for you. I have purchased a couple of cars and a lot of parts from the classifieds.

It will be interesting to see what happens to collector car values in this economic turmoil. Most of the time when the Market goes down a lot of investors turn to collector cars . . . but the tight money market may change that. Only time will tell.

To maintain the value of a low milage car you must do everything you can to maintain it's condition. A 10k mile car with structual rust and a ratty interior is not much more valuable than 70k mile barn car.

I hope your '69 finds a good home.

One person's opinion.

Terry Kalp

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: Bassett ()
Date: October 11, 2008 11:23AM

I would like everyone to PLEASE go back and look at Daves description of this car. There is nothing ratty about the interior and I don't think he said there was any structural rust. I can't figure how all at once this car is so bad as some are implying. It has never been driven in winter. Absolutely has never been on a salt covered road. Has always been stored inside until the last few years.

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Re: For Sale ‘69 Monza with 10K Miles
Posted by: perrya ()
Date: October 11, 2008 01:32PM

Nothing has been implied that it is not a great car in great condition, however, like it or not, $6K remains too high for a quick sale. I am sure if you are willing to sell for $4K, it would find a new home quickly. $2k is not that much money, some earn that in a week or two.

Perry

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