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EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Colorsarge ()
Date: May 03, 2023 11:21AM

I had seen a post about how someone had mounted an AC condenser behind the r/r wheel well housing on their Early Model, but can't find it in search. Help!

Frankford, De., eight miles north of Ocean City, Md.
1966 Corsa convt.

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: DOUG WARD ()
Date: May 04, 2023 10:09PM

One nice condenser mod that I've seen was to mount it to the deck lid (engine cover) with longer hoses as needed, so when the lid is raised, so is the condenser. It would also probably help to install some gas "shocks" that would help raise the now heavier lid instead of the factory lid support,

Doug Ward
Orange, Calif.
65 Corsa 180, 64 Monza convertible, 61 Lakewood, 61 Monza


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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Colorsarge ()
Date: May 08, 2023 01:23PM

Thanks Doug. Interesting idea.

Frankford, De., eight miles north of Ocean City, Md.
1966 Corsa convt.

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: May 08, 2023 01:58PM

Clarks sells a kit like that for the engine lid with cover.


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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: May 08, 2023 03:04PM

The problem with mounting to the deck lid is that then it is very dependent on how well your engine compartment and deck lid are sealed just like the '66 up.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 145 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Ratt643 ()
Date: May 13, 2023 08:34PM

The other problem with that setup is that if the condenser is not sealed all the way around, the hot air pulled thru the fan can recirculate back into the condenser. When that happens, the heat transfer cant occur and you wont get cold air up front.

1964 Monza Coupe
1965 Corsa 140
1967 Monza Coupe

Maryville, TN
U.S. 129 The"Tail Of The Dragon"

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 13, 2023 09:22PM

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If air is pulled through by the fan, it is going to be blown out the bottom of the engine.

If you are talking about the Clark's kit.
That IS NOT for mounting on an EM engine cover.
It is meant for TRUNK MOUNTING.

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: May 13, 2023 10:43PM

C11781 (part linked by Tom) is for 1961 to 1964 engine lid mounting.

I'm with Joel, the OEM seal on the early engine lid does not seal like the 65 to 69 engine lid. Air can bypass the condenser mounted to the lid.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 13, 2023 10:54PM

Thanks for the part number Frank.
I glanced up and down that page a couple times, and all I saw was the C11783 kit.

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: caroseiii ()
Date: May 14, 2023 07:48AM

Rusty Rose tested the lid mounted design several years inTexas before selling the rights to Clark’s. The enclosure design is not dependent on an engine lid seal.

C.A. Rose
Metairie, LA
1962 Spyders

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Colorsarge ()
Date: May 14, 2023 09:19AM

So let me get this straight. If I leave the Condensor in its stock location, it would seem to be important that the engine of gaskets seal well? Obviously, sealing around engine must be good to prevent backdraft effect.

Frankford, De., eight miles north of Ocean City, Md.
1966 Corsa convt.

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Colorsarge ()
Date: May 14, 2023 11:31AM

Meant to say....engine lid weather strips

Frankford, De., eight miles north of Ocean City, Md.
1966 Corsa convt.

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: May 14, 2023 11:46AM

No, in the stock early location there should be a gasket between the condenser housing and the top shroud. This makes sure air flows through the condenser.

Air flow very important!

FYI to 66/67 condenser locations, take the condenser loose from the firewall and clean the leaves from it.winking smiley

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Colorsarge ()
Date: May 14, 2023 02:04PM

Thanks, Frank,
I'll check for gasket.

Frankford, De., eight miles north of Ocean City, Md.
1966 Corsa convt.

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Slaw31 ()
Date: May 14, 2023 08:17PM

Does anyone have a photo of the Clark’s kit installed? I’m thinking of going that route and pop an electric fan on the condenser to pull more air across it.



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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: May 18, 2023 09:16PM

caroseiii Wrote:
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> Rusty Rose tested the lid mounted design several years in Texas before selling the rights to Clark’s. The enclosure design is not dependent on an engine lid seal.

If the lid and shrouds aren't sealed the air will bypass the condenser. The only way around that is to have a powerful enough fan that it isn't counting on the engine fan to pull air across the condenser.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 145 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Ratt643 ()
Date: May 20, 2023 10:07PM

The condenser has an electric fan (setup I seen) that pulled air thru the engine lid and thru the condenser. Hence that the hot air is sucked back into the condenser if it is not sealed. Even if the engine is running, the hot air may still be recirculated thru the condenser.

1964 Monza Coupe
1965 Corsa 140
1967 Monza Coupe

Maryville, TN
U.S. 129 The"Tail Of The Dragon"

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Re: EM AC condensor upgrade
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: May 21, 2023 10:50AM

Interesting point, Ratt.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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