I bought Tom's engine last year around June. I was going to put it in through the winter, but things popped up. Like getting diagnosed with lung cancer. In March they removed a tumor and it was benign. So I'm not waiting for winter again. Lifes too short. I've been driving it the last couple of weeks and made sure it had fresh gas and everything functioning properly, and now it's time.

The plan is to make the engine compartment nice while the engine is out. I have two questions to start with: 1. How does the rear vent cowl come off(the piece below the back window)? 2. Remove the body tags or work around them?

Stay tuned...

Doug
65 Monza
Cincy, OH

The rear vent has screws and sometimes they are under the glass butyl rubber, it might be hard to remove it, don't take the body tags off as they have special rivets you don't want to disturb.







1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

Congrats on the medical procedure. Hope you are well and remain that way. Scary stuff.

Darrin Hartzler
Catlett, VA

Northern Virginia Corvairs & Group Corvair

davemotohead Wrote:
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> The rear vent has screws and sometimes they are under the glass butyl rubber, it might be hard to remove it, don't take the body tags off as they have special rivets you don't want to disturb.


I'll second that, especially regarding leaving the body tags intact. Work around them.

1962 95 F.C. Van
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe
1965 Monza Coupe
1965 Monza Convertible
Westminster, Maryland

MID ENG enthusiast &
prior Kelmark owner.

If the car is a hard top, you have to mess with the chrome trim (and possibly damage the tempered glass).
If the car is a soft top, you have to mess with the flat chrome strips. I suggest not removing the
vent panel nor the body tags. BTW, nice looking engine and car!

Can I ask, what about this install makes you have to remove the body tags at all?

And congratulations on the benign diagnosis.



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playerpage Wrote:
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> Can I ask, what about this install makes you have to remove the body tags at all?
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> And congratulations on the benign diagnosis. Thank you!

As I've worked on the car over the years, I try to make things nice again. I've never done anything to the engine compartment. So while the engine is out I plan to sand and paint everything. I'm not a big fan of sand around something. I've already found OEM rivets for VIN so it will be coming out.

And the car is a hard top. The vent panel has to come out because it's a mess in there. Car was originally white and the PO painted it red. So it's full of overspray and years of whatever. I'll sand it all down and paint it too.

Thanks for the warning on the moldings. I still have my old tools from working on Mercedes. Mercedes made a very nice plastic 'shank' to remove their moldings that fit against the glass, so I'll be using it on the Corvair.

Doug
65 Monza
Cincy, OH

doug6423 wrote:
"As I've worked on the car over the years, I try to make things nice again." Your car's come a long way since I drove down a couple years ago to buy your RM code engine case, wish I had made the same or close amount of progress as you. You can be proud of it, will be looking for it at next year's convention!

Congrats on beating the big C, too!

Scott
Danville, In.
'65 Corsa coupe basket case
'66 Monza coupe

scottymac Wrote:
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> doug6423 wrote:
> "As I've worked on the car over the years, I try to make things nice again." Your car's come a long way since I drove down a couple years ago to buy your RM code engine case, wish I had made the same or close amount of progress as you. You can be proud of it, will be looking for it at next year's convention!
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> Congrats on beating the big C, too! Thank you!

Since my last post I found the PO hidden keys...
They were underneath the rear vent, but you had to reach up through one of the openings in the engine compartment to find them. Found purely by accident, trying to figure out the rear vent.

Doug
65 Monza
Cincy, OH

And the engine is finally out. Not without some issues of course, but my fault this time. I forgot to bolt the Dave Motohead Engine Bracket to the engine. Thankfully it didn't thud to the floor and I had help. We some how got it down without it coming off or getting hurt.

Also found the nut coming off of the RT Rear Hub. AND one loose bolt holding the transmission to the center bracket. So I'm VAIRY thankful I didn't wait till winter to do this project. Now to remove the new parts from the old engine, separate the trans/diff so they can be sent out to be gone through and resealed.

I have a set of Steve Goodman rear hubs that will be going in.

Doug
65 Monza
Cincy, OH

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doug6423
Thankfully it didn't thud to the floor and I had help. We some how got it down without it coming off or getting hurt.

Sounds like the Big Man upstairs was looking out for you...again!

Congratulations on successfully removing the old powertrain!

Looking forward to continued progress and photos.

Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998
1965 Monza Coupe - Converting from Drag Race Car to Nice Street Car - 63 Buick 215 V8

ihscomputers Wrote:
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> Sounds like the Big Man upstairs was looking out for you...again!
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Dean, I'm sure God has a list of all the times I swore to him if he would just get me home, out of a situation, from throwing up, etc... That I would become a priest, give up my sinful ways, I'd never do it again, etc...

Thanks to Dave Motohead and his video on how to remove the window moldings. I bought the proper tool and with quite a bit of struggling, I got them out. Not only were the clips holding them but a lot of urethane.

How does the back grille come off again? Remove the back glass to get to the screws that are under all that urethane?

Doug
65 Monza
Cincy, OH

I climbed into the attic and looked at an old rear grille I have. Apparently different design for different years. The one in the attic did not have a lip that would be screwed down. Looked like it fit flush. So I dug into the thick urethane hoping for an easy removal...

However, I discovered mine is one that has a lip and is screwed down under the thick urethane. So tonight I dug out enough urethane to get 2 screws out and almost to the center. I'm not in a rush so I'll work on it some more hopefully tomorrow evening.

Doug
65 Monza
Cincy, OH

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Phil Dally
Modern seals are available...Zonker has one.

Phil, where can these "modern seals" be purchased?

Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998
1965 Monza Coupe - Converting from Drag Race Car to Nice Street Car - 63 Buick 215 V8

Phil Dally Wrote:
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> Just a minor point...butyl not urethane.
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> Unless you have a modern one-piece seal.
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> Modern seals are available...Zonker has one.
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> Still takes two people to get to those screws.

You are correct, it is butyl. Mercedes use to use it and I'm familiar with it. So far I'm a one man show and have gotten 2 screws out so far. I've dug this stuff out before. Mercedes used to run a copper wire in theirs, so you just need to hook a positive and negative to it and it heated right up, and you just pushed the glass out.

So far I don't need to take the glass out. If I do, I'll urethane it back in most likely. Surprised it's even butyl in the first place. Mercedes used rubber seals until the late 70's.

Doug
65 Monza
Cincy, OH

This is why the rear cowl grille had to come off. I wasn't about to put a nice engine in the engine compartment and leave this area looking like this.

Do I put an NO2 bottle in this area after I repaint it??? I have an aluminum oxygen bottle I thought about painting and buy the stickers off the internet.

Doug
65 Monza
Cincy, OH

I agree that you will be much happier after cleaning and painting that area.

If the NO2 bottle fits the car's personality or yours for that matter, then I vote yes!

Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998
1965 Monza Coupe - Converting from Drag Race Car to Nice Street Car - 63 Buick 215 V8