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Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: OldWrenchTurner ()
Date: June 26, 2021 02:25PM

Hi all,

Looks like I'll be dropping the entire powerpack out of my 61' sedan. I'm going to need an engine cradle for my floor jack and was wondering if folks here could recommend a decent one. I know Davemotohead, who does some really awesome Corvair videos on YouTube, said he made some up for sale. But unfortunately a search on the interwebs didn't come up with any info on this.

Does anyone know where I can pick up a good cradle? And what are the ballpark prices for them?

Thanks! smiling smiley

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: June 26, 2021 02:50PM

I am just curious, your last thread was about bad mounts/sagging powertrain.

Are you thinking you need to R&R the powertrain to service the mounts?

If your answer is 'yes' then my answer is 'no'. You can replace the mounts with the powertrain in place, you just need the car high enough to work under it.

best wishes, Steve
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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: June 26, 2021 02:52PM

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Joel
Northlake, TX
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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: OldWrenchTurner ()
Date: June 26, 2021 05:57PM

steve c goodman Wrote:
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> I am just curious, your last thread was about bad mounts/sagging powertrain.
>
> Are you thinking you need to R&R the powertrain to service the mounts?
>
> If your answer is 'yes' then my answer is 'no'. You can replace the mounts with the powertrain in place, you just need the car high enough to work under it.


That's part of it. I need to get at all parts of the powerpack to 'clean it up' - literal cleaning plus checking fluids, etc. The broken mount is a good excuse to pull the entire thing so I can easily work on it from all angles as well as get easier access to remove rust from the bottom of the car around the transmission/transaxle area.



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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: June 26, 2021 06:44PM

Where are you located?

-Tom


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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 26, 2021 08:20PM

He's in Portland, Or.!!

OWT, I'm sure a few members of Corsa Oregon have cradles for engine removal!

Question is "why haven't you joined? Us Seniors can always use a helping hand!!! GG

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: June 26, 2021 10:22PM

He's in Portland and hasn't joined the club ? ! ? ! ? eye popping smiley
I am sorry, don't meant to be a troll, or a jerk, but a person with a Corvair, who is in Portland and hasn't joined CORSA Oregon, is either Blissfully Unaware
The group in PDX is the BEST ! ! ! thumbs up cool smiley thumbs up
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Great people, AND an incredible knowledge base!
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CORSA Oregon, the ONLY thing I miss about PDX.

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: June 27, 2021 09:55AM

Why not spend a few bucks and buy a lifting table from Harbor Freight. I did and I'll never use a jack again. It comes out and goes in like butter. Check it out. Get the 1,000lb. capacity.

HF Lifting Table

If your desperate, I can loan you mine. I have an engine on it but I can lift it up with my overhead crane and you can borrow the table. it's heavy so bring a friend. I can't lift that much anymore. PM Me

66RTVair
Oregon
1965 Corsa 140 stock
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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: June 28, 2021 06:23AM

You 100% do not need an engine cradle to remove the powerpack.

We've been pulling them with a 2x8 and a floor jack for years and years (and my Dad, and Grandpa, back to the late 1960's).

There are many ways to do it - documented here.

Dont get me wrong, the cradles are nice, if its a one man job. I have one mounted on a Walker Uni-Cradle jack, now.


Eric P.
DeWitt, IA

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: June 28, 2021 09:47AM

True. I've done it many times alone with a floor jack.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 123 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: Nick_Soapdish ()
Date: June 28, 2021 11:08AM

I just drop mine onto a furniture dolly.

Dylan
'62 95 Panel
Seattle, WA

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: OldWrenchTurner ()
Date: June 28, 2021 11:58PM

Thanks for all the advice everyone. thumbs up I've sent PMs to a number of people in response to their posts. In addition:

isucorvair Wrote:
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> You 100% do not need an engine cradle to remove the powerpack.
>
> We've been pulling them with a 2x8 and a floor jack for years and years (and my Dad, and Grandpa, back to the late 1960's).
>
> There are many ways to do it - documented here.
>
> Dont get me wrong, the cradles are nice, if its a one man job. I have one mounted on a Walker Uni-Cradle jack, now.
>
>
> Eric P.
> DeWitt, IA

joelsplace Wrote:
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> True. I've done it many times alone with a floor jack.


Nick_Soapdish Wrote:
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> I just drop mine onto a furniture dolly.


Have you guys had any issues with case or transaxle housing damage from all that weight not supported at the factory points?

I learned long ago to use the proper tool for the correct job. Saves huge hidden problems down the road. winking smiley



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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: June 29, 2021 06:49AM

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> Have you guys had any issues with case or transaxle housing damage from all that weight not supported at the factory points?
>
> I learned long ago to use the proper tool for the correct job. Saves huge hidden problems down the road. winking smiley


Zero Damage using a floor jack and 2x8. The 2x8 goes from the skid plate, to under the transaxle, and the jack at the 'balance point' of the whole shebang.

Best to have a helper doing it this way.

Eric P.
DeWitt, IA
Iowa Corvair Enthusiasts / Corvair Minnesota / Corvanatics
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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: June 29, 2021 10:07AM

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OWT
Have you guys had any issues with case or transaxle housing damage from all that weight not supported at the factory points?

No! I used a dolly balanced on a floor jack for many years. Dolly was equipment mover style, about 18+ inches square that I added a full top of 3/4" plywood. Set dolly on floor jack, roll under engine, jack up and check balance many times. Used for whole drivetrains and engine only R&I on lates.

After I tore my bicep (picking up a Corvair engine), I bought the 1000 lb Harbor Freight hydraulic table. It's Great!smileys with beer Also good for getting Corvair engines in/out of pickup beds.

I have now bought a Dave adapter for a floor jack, but not used it yet.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: MtnVairMike ()
Date: June 29, 2021 11:05AM

BobV66Vair Wrote:
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> Why not spend a few bucks and buy a lifting table from Harbor Freight. I did and I'll never use a jack again. It comes out and goes in like butter. Check it out. Get the 1,000lb. capacity.
>
> HF Lifting Table
>
> If your desperate, I can loan you mine. I have an engine on it but I can lift it up with my overhead crane and you can borrow the table. it's heavy so bring a friend. I can't lift that much anymore. PM Me

X2 on the hydraulic table. Used it for mine, only had to remove one heat shield and dropped the whole powerpack down through the ramps on my 4 post lift. Rolled it into the corner for work to begin.

Easy Peasy.

Mike

1966 Monza Convertible, 140HP-4 speed, Ermine White

Black Mountain,NC

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: antkoto ()
Date: June 29, 2021 11:23AM

PM sent.

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: June 29, 2021 12:11PM

I've never damaged one with a jack. I've seen broken bell housings from attempting to lift the car with a floor jack at that spot.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 123 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: Nick_Soapdish ()
Date: June 30, 2021 01:20PM

OldWrenchTurner Wrote:
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> Have you guys had any issues with case or transaxle housing damage from all that weight not supported at the factory points?

Nope! The right size dolly hits perfectly under the engine mount and meaty part of the transaxle housing.

When I didn't have adequate clearance or assistance to safely use a jack under the engine, I just strapped the dolly to it, lowered the whole car (gently, so it doesn't take extra weight) to the ground, unbolted engine, picked the car back up and rolled the engine out.

Obviously if you have fancy-pantsy lifts and such, there are easier/better ways to do it. Those lift tables look like luxury.

Disclaimer: this is all van stuff. Ymmv with normal cars.

Dylan
'62 95 Panel
Seattle, WA

Wagons and vans, just clap your hands.

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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: June 30, 2021 02:28PM

I only make the cradles once a year in October, I have sold them for over 10 years and sold a crap load of them, I designed it to work with every oil pan on the market, I started making these after 2 guys posted their busted engines from slipping off the floor jack and 2x4, there should be plenty of them out there for rent / sale, for me, working on the garage floor by myself its the best way to remove / install when working alone, plus they tilt and wiggle to line things up easier.







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Re: Corvair engine cradle needed
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: June 30, 2021 03:00PM

I bought a Motohead Engine Cradle to do my 140 swap.
I asked a friend to come over and help me do the job, but with the Motohead Cradle, all he ended up doing was stand around and hand me a wrench every now and then.
Simple as dimples.
Easy-Peasy.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
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