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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: November 18, 2020 09:43PM

Interesting that you are replacing the most trouble free part of the parking brake system. The part you should be replacing is the sheathed cables to the rear wheels that rust! Those are the trouble makers here in the east.eye popping smiley

I've had to drive with only the emergency brake on MANY cars here in the rusty east. And we HAVE yearly state safety inspections. How do you do that with an electric actuator without a modulating input?

You know, Henry was behind the times, but he LIKED mechanical linked brakes on his cars.grinning smiley I wonder what he would think of the electric parking brakes on the new Fords?confused smiley

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: November 18, 2020 09:52PM

I didn't think about that Frank. That's a deal killer for sure.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 113 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 18, 2020 10:29PM

That is what I was trying to convey (I use my Parking Brake quite frequently for things other than Parking.), but Frank worded much better. thumbs up

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: Melb-Mike ()
Date: November 19, 2020 04:37AM

I would not remove the manual parking brake without a very good reason. I like the ease of engaging the manual parking brake. But if it's in the way of a project need, like bigger speakers in a kick panel, or if you need to install something else that needs that space, then you may need to replace it.

The nice thing about Corvairs is everything is MANUAL like the windows, door release, etc. Yes, that's what I like too. However, having some electrical conveniences isn't bad. My GB was easy enough to steer with just a couple of people in it but when it had 9 chunky people sitting in there, pulling out of a parking space was a bit of a chore on asphalt. Now, it's easy and I can dial up the EPAS for city driving and turn it down for the highway. It has become the favorite ride for our Corvette club to ride in together to go to dinner.

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: LesH ()
Date: November 19, 2020 07:33AM

Nobody here uses the parking brake as a hill start assist?

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: November 19, 2020 07:41AM

LesH Wrote:
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> Nobody here uses the parking brake as a hill start assist?

Occasionally when I'm starting on a steep hill and some A H pulls within inches of my bumper.

J.O.

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: November 19, 2020 08:50AM

While I have no dog in this race....

Is the story different if you have a dual master cylinder?

What if you have 3 point belts that lock in a panic situation (either hard braking, or you leaping forward to grab the parking brake handle under the dash) when the pedal goes to the floor?

I can't reach the brake handle in my autocross car, harnessed in - not even close. I will be relocating between the seats, some time...

Our 2020 Subaru has an electric parking brake, but its an automatic, so it never gets used.


Eric P.
DeWitt, IA

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: November 19, 2020 08:50AM

While I have no dog in this race....

Is the story different if you have a dual master cylinder?

What if you have 3 point belts that lock in a panic situation (either hard braking, or you leaping forward to grab the parking brake handle under the dash) when the pedal goes to the floor?

I can't reach the brake handle in my autocross car, harnessed in - not even close. I will be relocating between the seats, some time...

Our 2020 Subaru has an electric parking brake, but its an automatic, so it never gets used.


Eric P.
DeWitt, IA

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: November 19, 2020 09:21AM

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Eric
Is the story different if you have a dual master cylinder?

NO! I have had several brake pedals go to the floor on post 1966 vehicles. That dual system sounds like a good idea, but can still leave you driving through a red light. BTDTeye popping smiley

You west coast people just ignore this scenario....winking smiley

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: November 19, 2020 10:42AM

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> You west coast people just ignore this scenario....winking smiley


Is that because red lights are just suggestions in the west, or because there isnt rust? smiling smiley


Eric p.
DeWitt, IA

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: November 19, 2020 11:24AM

Steve sez: there is a difference between an emergency brake and a parking brake.

best wishes, Steve
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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: doug6423 ()
Date: November 19, 2020 11:43AM

LesH Wrote:
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> Nobody here uses the parking brake as a hill start assist?

YES! I live in hilly Cincinnati and it is very nice to lean forward and use the E brake to hold the 4 speed in place and trying to accelerate. Especially since people like to pull right up behind you!

Doug
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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: November 19, 2020 01:15PM

steve c goodman Wrote:
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> Steve sez: there is a difference between an emergency brake and a parking brake.

True but most cars use the same brake for both purposes.


isucorvair Wrote:
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> What if you have 3 point belts that lock in a panic situation (either hard braking, or you leaping forward to grab the parking brake handle under the dash) when the pedal goes to the floor?
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> Eric P.
> DeWitt, IA

If the normal brake is working good enough to lock your seat belt you don't need the emergency brake.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 113 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: November 19, 2020 01:43PM

My car is a 66 with a dual-cylinder installed, but I still couldn't overcome the idiocy of a "trusted" mechanic.

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: November 19, 2020 02:00PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> > DeWitt, IA
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> If the normal brake is working good enough to lock your seat belt you don't need the emergency brake.


I disagree. I have had the opportunity to lean forward fast enough to get the seatbelt to catch, with no brakes (or impact) applied. Especially in a car retrofitted with aftermarket 3 point belts.


Eric p>
DeWitt, IA

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: November 19, 2020 02:08PM

I forgot about that type. I like the type that lock on sudden deceleration not on how fast the belt is pulled on.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 113 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: November 19, 2020 02:48PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> steve c goodman Wrote:
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> > Steve sez: there is a difference between an emergency brake and a parking brake.
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> True but most cars use the same brake for both purposes.
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Steve sez: No Joel an emergency brake can be pulled as needed to help slow or stop instead of a switch.

best wishes, Steve
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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: VairKing ()
Date: November 19, 2020 04:52PM

At some point in time the automobile industry stopped calling them Emergency brakes and started using the term parking brakes. Parking brakes on modern cars are not designed to stop the car in a brake failure situation, only to hold the car when parked.

My wife’s 2017 Mini with a manual transmission has electric parking brake. At first I didn't like it, until I figured out if it’s running and you have your seat belt on, if you put it in gear and Start to let the clutch out it automatically disengages the parking brake. So that’s not a bad thing.

For those that want to put it between the seats it’s very easy, go to the junkyard and get a brake lever and shorten the cable to make it work. That’s what I did on my V8 car.

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: November 19, 2020 05:27PM

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Eric
Is that because red lights are just suggestions in the west, or because there isnt rust? smiling smiley
Ha! Because of rust.... or lack of it.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Electric "Parking Brake" in a LM!? confused smiley
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: November 19, 2020 05:56PM

steve c goodman Wrote:

> Steve sez: No Joel an emergency brake can be pulled as needed to help slow or stop instead of a switch.

Last time I checked Corvairs (especially automatics) use the same brake for both and so does every vehicle I own.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 113 Corvairs and counting...

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