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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: October 25, 2020 12:24PM

Okay, so they are finally claiming some decent travel ranges now days, but affordability is still centuries away it looks like. thumbs down
It is stupid.
Thank you, but I'll stick to my Cummins. thumbs up

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
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'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry
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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: red monza ()
Date: October 25, 2020 07:10PM

American Mel Wrote:
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> Please post references that show/Prove the existence of these so called Modern Electric Trains.
> Other than some urban light-rail systems, all REAL Locomotives that I am aware of are Diesel-Electric, which makes them a Hybrid at best. eye rolling smiley
> So, as stated earlier, there currently just isn't any substitute for the Energy Density of Hydrocarbons.
> ROLL COAL BABY ! !

Sorry....since the 60's, trains have been using electric motors to move their trains...NOT DIESEL.

I assumed everyone would know that by now after using electric power now for 60 years or longer. Is diesel currently used in a train...of course. Is it like a HYBRID...not even close. The diesel motor powers a GENERATOR. The generator supplies the small electric motors that RUN THE TRAIN...SO NO HYBRID.

I am not an engineer and know very little about trains...but do know that. We are never to old to learn...RIGHT? Well...some of us do have open minds thank goodness.

Some do not know the difference between a "Cinder block" and a "Concrete Block"...unbelievable.

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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Date: October 25, 2020 07:39PM

Diesel-electric locomotive -

What does that term tell you?? The primary source of energy to move the train is via the Diesel engine providing power to drive a generator that powers the electric drive motors.

Reason? Electric motors develop max torque at Zero RPM.

BUT electricity is not something that can easily be found in a mobile platform.

Therefore a gigantic Diesel engne must be onboard to provide the electricity to drive the train across the vast distances in the rail systems.




Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468



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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: October 25, 2020 08:07PM

Not Hybrid, eh?
Fully Electric Locomotives, eh?
Well, let's just see how far that Train of yours goes if you do not put Fuel in the tank, Genius.
As you admitted, you DO NOT know anything about trains, or you would not argue about why a Diesel/Electric Train IS INDEED a Hybrid Power System.
As you stated, "We are never to old to learn...RIGHT?"
I would have to agree on THAT point, and would have to say that it is about time you practice what you preach, and go get an education.
Heh.
It appears that some people's minds are so "Open" that what little brains they once had, have all run right out. eye rolling smiley
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What in the world Concrete VS Cinderblock has to do with this conversation, I haven't a clue.
But, since you brought it up, I can tell you a few things about the two that apparently you don't.
I CAN tell you about Francis Straub, and I also KNOW that only any idiotic moron would trust his life under a car that is held up by EITHER ONE OF THEM!
I am definitely not the smartest guy on this forum, but I am smart enough to KNOW FOR A FACT, that BOTH TYPES shatter and break ! hot smiley
Unbelievable ! ! !

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry
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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: October 25, 2020 10:11PM

Hmm, seems to me to be an argument of semantics.

Let's add Plug In Hybrid to the discussion.

A locomotive is electric. Diesel Electric.

A Prius is a Hybrid. The Chevrolet/GMC pick ups are Hybrid. Their drivetrain can run either on battery OR gasoline engine. The automatic transmission has an electric motor (three phase too!) built in. The crankshaft can power the wheels through typical automatic transmission processes without any power to the three phase electric motor windings, AND the crankshaft can stand still and the electric motor can turn the wheels to move the car.

A Chevrolet Volt was called a Plug In Hybrid by some. But, it is a Gasoline Electric like a locomotive is a diesel electric. The drivetrain ONLY uses an electric motor to turn the wheels. There is NO connection from the crankshaft to the wheels by mechanical means. BTW,the first vehicle to use this on a commercial basis was the Owen-Magnetic car 1915 to 1922.

Now some Prius models are plug in, so they are a Hybrid that is a Plug In Hybrid?confused smiley

So, "it depends".

Is a vehicle that uses two sources of motive force a Hybrid?

Or is a vehicle that uses two sources of energy a Hybrid?

Is a tractor that starts on Gasoline and runs on Kerosene a Hybrid?

Is a Chrysler Turbine car a Hybrid because it burns almost any fuel?

Seems to me there are people who call any of these hybrids.

I'm thinking Frankenstein was a Hybrid!smileys with beer

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 25, 2020 10:22PM

I would say that anything using 2 types of energy is a hybrid. Fuel and electric in any combination is a hybrid so the trains would be hybrids. Not hybrid in the current automotive public eye but that is a limited view.
Webster does not agree with me: " : something (such as a power plant, vehicle, or electronic circuit) that has two different types of components performing essentially the same function"

Joel
Northlake, TX
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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: bought1 ()
Date: October 26, 2020 05:26AM

I bet a lot of horse and buggy folks said Automobiles were centuries away. They weren’t. Technology marches on whether we like it or not.

Dave

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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: gmgmtl ()
Date: October 26, 2020 09:01AM

Build your own electric with this crate motor conversion kit featured in this Hagerty article. I doubt the DYI would be much cheaper then the Hummer in the long run.
GMoore

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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: October 26, 2020 11:25AM

Yeah, someone posted about that performance car replacement motor a while back.
It seems like it was in the ball park of about $30,000.oo ! !
Just for the electric drive motor conversion!
You still need a vehicle, batteries, controllers, etc.
When finished, you are right back up there in the Stratosphere.
Affordable electric with decent range appears to be still many years off.
It seems to be a trade off at this time.
Affordable, and no range but cheaply built.
or
EXPENSIVE, and may have decent range, but also built to a luxury standard with a ridiculous price tag.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry
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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: October 26, 2020 02:40PM

bought1 Wrote:
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> I bet a lot of horse and buggy folks said Automobiles were centuries away. They weren’t. Technology marches on whether we like it or not.

Very true.

The fact is in spite of the early gasoline powered buggy limitations (and why many of the earliest vehicles were electric/battery carriages that where easier to drive) horses were despised in the cities. Why? The old pictures of horse manure piled up a couple feet along the edge of city streets edge convinced most that the horse had to be replaced in cities. The only limitation was cost.

Once mass production lowered the cost everyone that could bought a new vehicle. Roads improved and with longer driving distances, self starters, etc. the old electric carriages could not compete. And here we are about a century later and the electric vehicle is back.

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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: October 27, 2020 07:49AM

I read this morning their production run is sold out already!

I assume that means deposits were made but who knows how many will follow through when they're faced with reality of huge monthly payments for the next seven or eight years.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: October 27, 2020 12:36PM

I think it's just fine, about the new Hummer.
There are always a bunch of people with lots of extra money, who want to own the newest soon to be obsolete thing out there. With the way technology is going, that new Hummer will likely be old school within 5 years! Just see what used Volt's are going for these days!
grinning smiley

Corventure Dave

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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: October 27, 2020 01:43PM

Is an 11,000 HP Top Fuel motor that starts on gasoline and methanol.

Then runs on mostly nitro methane a hybrid? smiling bouncing smileysmiling bouncing smileysmiling bouncing smiley


See it get completely disassembled and rebuilt in seven minute [youtu.be]



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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: October 27, 2020 01:49PM

Has anybody mentioned the slave labor used in the mining of Lithium...look it up.



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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: October 27, 2020 04:09PM

My EV, free to me from my Uncle. Its works but is not running. Why? It s requires 6 deep cycle batteries, $800+. That's years worth of lawn mower fluid that my other stuff runs on. You then still need the grid to charge, not free. You could also buy solar panels, again not free. It is neat also powerful, sounds like a golf cart when its not running. Some friends advised getting used golf cart batteries that have a reduced charge life. Good idea, but a have grass to cut and enough stuff to keep running.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: Jonathan Knapp ()
Date: November 01, 2020 10:57PM

The French have been making and commercialized high-speed electric trains for more than 40 years. The TGV is faster from Paris to Marseille (most of the way across the country) than flying. Runs at 200 MPH. Click here for Wikipedia article

Jonathan Knapp
Wheeling, WV
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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: Jonathan Knapp ()
Date: November 01, 2020 11:14PM

Keep in mind as you watch this video, the power poles are not getting closer together. https://youtu.be/xEX8vADhncU]574 kph[/url] That's just how fast the train is going. These are fully electric. American train technology is so far behind the world leaders, it is laughable.

Jonathan Knapp
Wheeling, WV
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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 02, 2020 12:19AM

Yes, and the Japanese have the Bullet Train.
Neither of which carry batteries to provide the electricity. They are dependent on outside power source. thumbs down
Also they are both PASSENGER trains, not intended for large heavy freight. sad smiley

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry
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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: November 02, 2020 04:57AM

When I was in Japan sometime between 15 and 20 years ago I tried to take a pic of that thing on the move. This was with my first good digital camera. For those of you that remember these cameras were slow by todays standards. Three attempts and all I got was the station on the other side of the tracks. Finally shot one standing still. They leap frog the stations to keep the transit time down. That means you better pic the right train. We could easily have them in this country, but folks still would not ride them. We don't need any stink'n high speed trains, we love our cars.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

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Re: Electric Hummer - the truck that is.
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 02, 2020 09:28AM

I wouldn't say EASILY, have them.
Our current rail system could not handle them.
It would take a MAJOR investment in infrastructure!
If we were going to dump the BILLIONS or TRILLIONS into a transportation system upgrade, why in the world would we settle for old out-dated technology?
If we are going to invest, it needs to be an investment into the future of transportation.
> > > HYPERLOOP < < <
But, you are correct in one thing.
Patriotic AMERICANS do LOVE our cars!
Why in the world should we give up our FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE, for mass transit that dictates where you will go, and at what time you can go ? ? ?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry
[corvaircenter.com]

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