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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: October 24, 2020 12:24PM

No, pan remains unclean at this time.

No easy fix? Could be a dealbreaker. I looked at rebuilt flywheels at Clarks, way, way too expensive, and plus shipping? Fuhgeddaboutit.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 24, 2020 12:39PM

Just buy the bolt kit! Ask for info here.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: October 24, 2020 12:55PM

FoiledAgain Wrote:
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> No, pan remains unclean at this time.
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> No easy fix? Could be a dealbreaker. I looked at rebuilt flywheels at Clarks, way, way too expensive, and plus shipping? Fuhgeddaboutit.
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Steve sez: only my opinion but you aren't helping your lifters get fresh oil with 'probably' some gunk in the pan after sitting all this time.

See if you can find a used bolted flywheel here on he forum.

As Matt sez bolt your own but there are more steps than just installing the bolts. The pieces need to be centered and both face and edge runout measured and balanced afterwards.

best wishes, Steve
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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: November 15, 2020 10:30AM

Ha! Running and driving. It took its first baby steps in 47 years this morning.
So did its 'owner'- 15 November '20 is the first time I ever drove a Corvair!

Clutch works fine, no untoward noise. Steers FAR better than I thought it would- not weird or notchy, feels like power steering. Brakes a wee bit soft but I cannot say I did a bang-up job of getting all the air out.

More later- just stoked the little derelict is self-propelled, circa now.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 15, 2020 10:31AM

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 15, 2020 11:16AM

Great Report!

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: RobertC ()
Date: November 15, 2020 12:54PM

Great. Maintain the tire pressure differential between front and rea.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: November 15, 2020 01:13PM

Thanks! I believe the vehicle has signaled it wants to live.
It's encouraging, so I will schedule dropping the Powerpack this winter and giving everything a once-over.



This the good side, the side that got the 2 existent hubcaps. The other side is the bare-wheel drunk-Grandpa-dent side.

I'm not completely sold on the amber brights. Had them laying around, swapped them in when I replaced the plastic headlight adjustment screw stands. It's a shame, there were 3 T3s but they had that slight fogging that lets you know they are not long for this world.

One caveat, though- it will not go into 3rd. All other gears engage smoothly and without incident, but it will only grind when I try 3rd. Does that sound to be a shift coupler issue, an oil issue, or worse?

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 15, 2020 01:20PM

Check gearlube GL-FOUR 75.80

Then visually check the whole shifter linkage.

Pull the Ambers and sell!! T-3's? Cha-ching!

Fog lights are low beam only, and most still used the upper half covers to concentrate the light as low as posssible.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: November 15, 2020 02:06PM

Oh yeah, I put the T3s aside in a safe place. Ambers will probably go backonnashelf.
Shift tube itself looks almost new, straight and untwisted.
I will drain/refill w/ GL4.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: LesH ()
Date: November 16, 2020 07:26AM

Can you still get Sta-Lube GL-4 at NAPA? I bought a couple jugs so I would keep some on hand.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: November 16, 2020 08:00AM

LesH Wrote:
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> Can you still get Sta-Lube GL-4 at NAPA? I bought a couple jugs so I would keep some on hand.


Yeah, but now its heavier weight than Vair specs. Brad Penn classic is what you want.

J.O.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: November 16, 2020 08:25AM

Probably I'll just get blank stares at the NAPA unless there's a coot with a secret GL-4 stash right next to the Plastigage, and by 'coot' I mean someone old like me.

Can't get the car to take 3rd even with the vehicle shut off- lever happily goes to the position for 3rd but no soap, no gear there.

Sometimes on VWs the solution is to loosen the shifter base and scoot it around a tad, often a gear that's a monster to engage will then be findable and things are fine. Occasionally the shift tube bushing will be AWOL and a replacement will set things right. Often the shift coupler begins to frag and needs replacement, which is fraught as new couplers are often misaligned.

I will need to become familiar with the Corvair version of the VW trans nose cone and the shift levers inside. Overall VW shift linkage is very sloppy compared to the Corvair setup.

Lots to learn.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 16, 2020 08:34AM

Remove the coupler at the trans.

Using a screwdriver thru the hole in the shaft...try to get it into 3rd.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: November 16, 2020 09:08AM

Think you're onto something, Matt- it just now found 3rd, with the shift lever.

Once I get it back up in the air I will do as you advise.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: November 16, 2020 10:01AM

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65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: November 16, 2020 10:14AM

That is a good deal.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: November 17, 2020 12:33PM

Just to see what's what I stuck a video camera underneath while going through the shift positions to see the shift rod in action. I notice 3rd is a little less pooched out on the shift rod than 1st- that is, I can see more shift rod sticking out the trans than 1st. Not seeing a lot of slop.

In any case I did not want to fiddle with the shift tube clamp until I saw the rod/tube/shift connector in action.

Last evening on my little test road, I managed, while stopped, to get the vehicle in 3rd, on the crest of a hill, and there was no noise or drama driving in 3rd for what that is worth. Quite pleasant actually, despite the vehicle having no interior or seat, just a camp chair. Felt like it could go all the way to El Paso.

The Delrin bushing on the shift tube bracket appears to be in good shape. Things seem snug.
Should my next move be to start at the front, by disassembling the shifter, cleaning and greasing?

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: RobertC ()
Date: November 17, 2020 01:10PM

FoiledAgain Wrote:
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> The Delrin bushing on the shift tube bracket appears to be in good shape. Things seem snug.
> Should my next move be to start at the front, by disassembling the shifter, cleaning and greasing?

There is really no lube used on the shift linkage that I am aware of. Do not know EMs.

The plastic bushings deteriorate and fall out. The shifting gets sloppy. Why Clark's has offered a kit with brass bushing - since the 70's.

Memory is faulty since I installed the kit in my LM 40+ years ago, but I think there is a "cardboard" tube in the shift tube (at least in LM?) - to keep the pieces from rattling.

Get out your manual and go through the procedure to adjust the shift tube / coupler is the place I would start.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: RobertC ()
Date: November 17, 2020 01:36PM

Went down and checked my parts book;

The liner in the tube is a LM feature - not on EM.

If you take it apart, you might want to put a little moly on the ball of the shift lever.

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