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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: October 10, 2020 02:09PM

Neat! Thanks for posting that.

Speaking of 1959, here's a Biscayne I finished up couple months back.
Dragged out of a backyard, top caved in, no glass, no floors, engine or trans, nor much paint left.
Now running a '67 283 along with a 3-speed, and the stock column shift.
Never have to worry about washing it- got a nice coat of boiled linseed oil. Yeah...I like patina.





Think a Corvair'd fit in the trunk, no problem.

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Re: '59 Biscayne
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 10, 2020 02:18PM

Had a Bel Air before any patina could set in!! GG 235/PG. Your wheels / tires remind me how small they were....I put on Station wagon wheels and 950-15's and still where narrow,

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Re: '59 Biscayne
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: October 10, 2020 03:21PM

Sweet! That's a looker. Yes, stock 15" wheels look really tucked on '59s and '60s. Probably that's why chrome reverse wheels were conjured up.

Nice old Squareback back there.

The Rust Missile was originally a 235 car, shame because I like 6s. With a split manifold and a set of Smittys they sound very nice.
Hard to believe these ridiculous, sublime vehicles were thick as bugs on a bumper at one time.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: October 10, 2020 07:10PM

I am deffinately not a patina guy or rat rod guy, but that thing does have personality.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa


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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: October 10, 2020 07:42PM

Love them fins. Hey Matt, where was that picture taken? Reminds me of Hwy. 39 aka Azusa Canyon.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: October 10, 2020 07:47PM

Knowing Matt, it is the PCH.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
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non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 10, 2020 08:04PM

PCH '66 Brother took the pic...otherwise wouldn't have any record!

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: October 11, 2020 08:18AM

Thought that looked familiar. Lived in LA '79/'80 and would drive the PCH often, to around Zuma or Point Dume.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 11, 2020 05:37PM

FoiledAgain Wrote:
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> Is a rebuild my only option for the steering box? Can it be quickened
by a different steering arm?
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Yes, I sell "quick arms"3/8" steel formed. Bolt on $175 shipped

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: October 12, 2020 07:31AM

Thanks, I'll keep that arm in mind.
Making slow progress. You know how that goes. Pulled the distributor and freed up the vac advance and point plate- sticky devils- and confirmed proper operation. Replaced points. Cleaned the distributor cap terminals. Replaced both battery cables. The stock units are so skinny! Spins over much more quickly on the starter.
Waiting on carb kits, belt, plug wires and a couple other thingamabobs.
Wondering what kind of bulk material could be used to replace the shroud seals.

I need to learn to re-key ignition tumblers and locks. This vehicle had no key and it'd be kind of neat to run the same key as other old GM vehicles here in the shed if the key profile is similar.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 12, 2020 10:08AM

GM key blanks are the same from '35-'66.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 113 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: October 12, 2020 10:37AM

Very good news. Thanks!

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 12, 2020 11:01AM

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: October 12, 2020 11:09AM

I saw that- sez for '61 and '62. Is it a fit for a '60 as well?

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: Cheepfk ()
Date: October 12, 2020 11:24AM

I would suggest a engine leak-down test to check for low compression, cracked rings or other internal problems. Why do all that labor and expense only to find out afterwards it was parked years ago because of one of these issues.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: October 12, 2020 11:59AM

Good question. I agree, but it's honestly not that much work and I'm kind of resolved to tear the motor down over the winter unless it runs fabulously as is, which I put on a very low order of probability.

I'm no optimist so I'm assuming several dropped seats, sub-par guides, worn valves and rings, cylinders that at minimum require honing and probably reboring [and new slugs], lifters past their prime, worn rod and main shells, ad nauseum. Best case is that it just needs resealing and regasketing.

Miracles do happen. I drive a '61 Beetle with its original case, and shortly after buying it pulled the motor and took it apart, and found good stock-size bearings, valves only needing a lapping [replaced the exhausts because VW], cylinders requiring a hone and new rings, and that was it. Runs quiet and smooth and gets over 40 MPG, burns no oil and is just a couple thousand miles short of 100,000, which for a nearly 60-year-old VW case is straight-up unicorn territory.

What is the case for that Beetle, and what I hope is the case for this Corvair, was that it was never overheated or run low on oil. We'll see.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: October 15, 2020 01:19PM

Ha! Runs, first time since 1973.
Even idles. Lots of smoke, probably from all the ATF in the plug holes, and sounds a bit like shaking a cardboard box half-full of sneakers, but...he's a runner!

I static-timed him to 4 BTDC but he only sort of half-started so nudged a wee bit more advance and he popped right off.

Teeny bit clickety in the valves, like, say, .006 of slop but not bad at all.

Once he gets good and warm I will run a compression test, plus the accel pump on the passenger side is not squirting properly.
I'd also like to plumb in a mechanical OP gauge.

Another '60 a bit closer to the road, folks.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 15, 2020 03:33PM

Great!
Hydraulic vale lifterss...they need time to pump back up... patience!

If the one carb only has one squirt stream 0.026" wire to open holes.

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: FoiledAgain ()
Date: October 15, 2020 03:55PM

I got the carb squirtin' so we're good like that.
Since I know diddley about these engines all the noises are new so I kind of do not know what exactly to listen for.
I am guessing the fan bearing is rough so there's that, lifters and valvetrain noise, things like that.
Is the OP sender underneath the lower shrouding?
So glunky under there I can't confirm its location!

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Re: About to tear into a virgin '60 engine
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 15, 2020 04:10PM

Depending when it was built...next to generator fan or under the oil cooler on rear housing.

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