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OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 30, 2020 08:15PM

I've been trying to search for a piece used with rivets.

However, I don't know what it is called and thus it is making it harder to find.

It looks like the end of a Trumpet and works like a flat washer to spread the load of holding 2 pieces of aluminum together.

I didn't take a picture when I saw it. But it looks like the following.
Do you know what it is called and/or where to find them?

Thanks


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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: July 30, 2020 09:33PM

Sounds strange. confused smiley
I have never heard of, nor seen anything like you describe.
I have only seen back-up washers used with pop-rivets, when a person wanted to spread out the holding force.

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'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: July 31, 2020 04:01AM

Looks like it could be part of a riv-nut.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 31, 2020 04:23AM

Lane66m Wrote:
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> Looks like it could be part of a riv-nut.


Could be. But I thought it had a regular rivet going through it and mashed on the inside.

I'll have to take another look and get a picture the next time I'm out there.

BTW - It just came to me this morning.
Where these things are located is to hold a heavy bracket on the outside for the fairings to bolt to..

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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: July 31, 2020 04:48AM

Maybe this?


The basic design of the Visu-Lok® is based on one of the oldest and time proven principles; the nut and bolt. However the Visu-Lok®, unlike conventional nut and bolt pairings, is fully installed and verified from one side of the structure.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: acardon ()
Date: July 31, 2020 05:56AM

That looks like a version of a grommet or eyelet.


Don
Southlake, Texas
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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: July 31, 2020 06:57AM

That's what I'd always called "bucking a rivet."

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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: August 01, 2020 08:06AM

Possibly a Collet of some kind?

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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: donm ()
Date: August 02, 2020 02:09PM

Sounds like a huck bolt. Try searching huck bolt or huck rivet. They are different. Huck rivet is sort of like a pop rivet and huck bolt has threads and a head like a bucking rivet but once in place, a round cylinder (sort of like a nut) is crimped around the threads of the huck bolt. Used on heavy trucks a lot as they don't vibrate loose.

Don M.
Verona, WI (Near Madison)

'67 500 coupe with Crown V8 & Corsa conversion
Bought & built the Corv8 kit in 1970
Currently undergoing a rotisserie restoration
'72 GMC Sierra Grande 402 BB, Short Box, A/C, Owned since 1973

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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: August 02, 2020 02:23PM

I learn something every day Don...Huck Bolt.

I have a Thread-Set kit and it's kinda the same.

Puts a compressed threaded collar in sheet metal.


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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: August 02, 2020 03:03PM

Huck bolt is brand name for a another type of blind bolt.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 02, 2020 03:19PM

donm Wrote:
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> Sounds like a huck bolt. Try searching huck bolt or huck rivet. They are different. Huck rivet is sort of like a pop rivet and huck bolt has threads and a head like a bucking rivet but once in place, a round cylinder (sort of like a nut) is crimped around the threads of the huck bolt. Used on heavy trucks a lot as they don't vibrate loose.


Thank you Don. I think that is what I have.

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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: August 02, 2020 03:23PM

Back to Tony's original question...

I wonder if that's the pre-installation look for the "big hole" rivets used on things like body tags? The backside of rivet/grommets like these usually has curled up rolls around the perimeter.

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66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 02, 2020 04:45PM

I'm wondering if my nut cutting or splitting tool would work, to do the job needed to remove the back side of these rivets?

Now, if I could only find where the darn thing is and try it out. Grin

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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: August 02, 2020 04:50PM

Tony:

If you know anyone at the local airport that works on aircraft sheet metal, call them. See if they have the Huck collar removal tool. Too expensive to buy for one time use.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 02, 2020 04:55PM

Lane66m Wrote:
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> Tony:
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> If you know anyone at the local airport that works on aircraft sheet metal, call them. See if they have the Huck collar removal tool. Too expensive to buy for one time use.


GOOD IDEA!

I do happen to know two guys, with EAA 245, who are willing to help me rivet some Ultravans.

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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: August 02, 2020 05:13PM

Tony, why do you NEED to remove them?
Without more info, I am guessing that they may be where the side wind deflectors mount?
Once you get the Huck Rivet/Bolts removed, you will then need to plug the holes. (Aluminum welding can be expensive.)
Why not just leave them in place, and put short bolts into them?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry

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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 02, 2020 07:33PM

American Mel Wrote:
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> Tony, why do you NEED to remove them?
> Without more info, I am guessing that they may be where the side wind deflectors mount?
> Once you get the Huck Rivet/Bolts removed, you will then need to plug the holes. (Aluminum welding can be expensive.)
> Why not just leave them in place, and put short bolts into them?



Rivets are going back in to match the rest.

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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: August 02, 2020 07:59PM

OttawaCorvairGuy Wrote:
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> Rivets are going back in to match the rest.


thumbs up
Was under the impression that they were larger than standard rivets.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry

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Re: OT - Does anyone know what this would be called?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 03, 2020 04:56AM

American Mel Wrote:
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> OttawaCorvairGuy Wrote:
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> > Rivets are going back in to match the rest.
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> thumbs up
> Was under the impression that they were larger than standard rivets.


Not sure what you consider standard, as they come in all sizes and so does the ones used on this box.

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