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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 28, 2020 06:24PM

No rivets on VW conversion flywheels but there was a very lightweight flywheel in two pieces bolted together. Only the OP knows what is on his engine

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC/V8 Registry

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: spesce ()
Date: July 28, 2020 08:19PM

steve c goodman Wrote:
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> Disregard reference to flex plate bolts please but depending upon which flywheel you are using there are special bolts for flywheel to crank hub.


Since they have the short head I stripped two when removing from the other engine and thus needed to wait for Clarks to open due to this stupid virous that I wasted a couple months and ordered correct bolts. I am still guess something either came loose but noise is loudest in front of engine.

Thanks!

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 28, 2020 08:22PM

Front of Corvair engine is the Flywheel end?

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: spesce ()
Date: July 28, 2020 08:34PM

steve c goodman Wrote:
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> No rivets on VW conversion flywheels but there was a very lightweight flywheel in two pieces bolted together. Only the OP knows what is on his engine


Here is my flywheel showing the two bolts that I stripped. I purchased bolts from Clarkes and replaced all with new. Does this flywheel cause concerns? I'm not sure of any details of these engines as it has been self taught.

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: July 28, 2020 11:06PM

And THAT, is why SIX-POINT sockets are best!
.
As for being self-taught, you have done okay so far.
But now you have a source of PRICELESS information right at your fingertips.
Make sure you use it and ask LOTS of questions.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: July 29, 2020 01:51AM

Still using Corvair bell housing? Did you put washers under the 4 bolts at the bottom of the bellhousing holding it to the block?

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: spesce ()
Date: July 29, 2020 06:01AM

American Mel Wrote:
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> And THAT, is why SIX-POINT sockets are best!
> .
> As for being self-taught, you have done okay so far.
> But now you have a source of PRICELESS information right at your fingertips.
> Make sure you use it and ask LOTS of questions.


No it has the VW conversion plate. Same bolts though. You can see it in the first picture.

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: July 29, 2020 06:26AM

OK just wanted info since I no nothing about the VW conversion. The Vair installation will make noise as flywheel will hit bolts on the bottom 4 if there are washers under them.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: July 29, 2020 06:26AM

Has the depth of the pilot bushing in the crank been addressed yet? Or is that part of the VW conversion too.

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 29, 2020 07:40AM

The pilot bushing extends out of crank hole as part of the conversion

The adapter plate has countersunk holes and Allenhead cap screws to attach the adapter plate to the end of the Corvair case halves. NO washers at all. The bellhousing is part of the VW transaxle.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC/V8 Registry

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: spesce ()
Date: July 29, 2020 09:13AM

Wagon Master Wrote:
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> Has the depth of the pilot bushing in the crank been addressed yet? Or is that part of the VW conversion too.


I have been swapping these components from engine to engine (I am on my third engine). First engine I threw a belt driving down the highway and did not notice until fried. Second engine I blew the #6 soark plug out the end of last summer. I helicoiled, but decided to start with another engine and fix that one on the engine stand. This is my third used engine. And with Corvair owner flair I have another 140HP engine to be engine stand tuned so I can swap. Don't you all have at least 3-5 engines? LOL.

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: July 29, 2020 09:19AM

I have 3 in vehicles. One known runner. One with compression n #1. On to be built and enough parts to build another 2 or 3, minus the critical pieces.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: July 29, 2020 11:05AM

spesce Wrote:
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> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . And with Corvair owner flair I have another 140HP engine to be engine stand tuned so I can swap. Don't you all have at least 3-5 engines? LOL.


I only have 12 spares.
With a little searching, you can find a thread from a few months back were we all addressed how many spare engine we each have laying around.
Since I have way more than I need, I have decided to unload any that are less than 140's.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: spesce ()
Date: July 29, 2020 06:21PM

spesce Wrote:
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> American Mel Wrote:
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> > And THAT, is why SIX-POINT sockets are best!
> > .
> >

I used six-point socket, Craftsman. The bolt heads are so thin that the rounded end of the socket (for ease of getting on bolts) stripped the top of the nut. By the time I figured out what was up it was too late. I did grind the end of the socket probably 1/8" and end is now flat I will have no issues with the thin headed bolts!

Another life lesson brought to you by Corvair.spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: spesce ()
Date: July 29, 2020 06:24PM

DOUG WARD Wrote:
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> It sure sounds like an early riveted flywheel with worn out rivets to me. They would clatter like that. Other than that, if you used the wrong flywheel bolts, don't try to guess at this. The flywheel could come loose & do some major damage.
> Good luck. Take a deep breath, count to 10 & spend the 30 minutes to take the engine out. Oh, have a beer too. Doug Ward


%&*#$&$ I am taking your advice. I used a stethoscope and the noise is coming out of the flywheel/clutch housing. I need to drop the U&*^&%%$% engine on a hot day. Starting now. Hopefully I find something wrong......

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: July 29, 2020 06:25PM

spesce Wrote:
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> spesce Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > American Mel Wrote:
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > And THAT, is why SIX-POINT sockets are best!
> > > .
> > >
>
> I used six-point socket, Craftsman. The bolt heads are so thin that the rounded end of the socket (for ease of getting on bolts) stripped the top of the nut. By the time I figured out what was up it was too late. I did grind the end of the socket probably 1/8" and end is now flat I will have no issues with the thin headed bolts!
>
> Another life lesson brought to you by Corvair.spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

AH!
I did the same for my socket that I use on my rocker studs. thumbs up

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: July 29, 2020 06:37PM

I did the same to a 6 point Craftsman impact socket for the rocker studs. I had done a Craftsman 6 point thin wall chrome socket, but did not like the feel of it when using it. Seemed to flexing in use. I did buy Blue Chips Tools that does the same job plus the upper head nuts. It will be used for installations only.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: spesce ()
Date: July 29, 2020 09:14PM

spesce Wrote:
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> DOUG WARD Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > It sure sounds like an early riveted flywheel with worn out rivets to me. They would clatter like that. Other than that, if you used the wrong flywheel bolts, don't try to guess at this. The flywheel could come loose & do some major damage.
> > Good luck. Take a deep breath, count to 10 & spend the 30 minutes to take the engine out. Oh, have a beer too. Doug Ward
>
>
> %&*#$&$ I am taking your advice. I used a stethoscope and the noise is coming out of the flywheel/clutch housing. I need to drop the U&*^&%%$% engine on a hot day. Starting now. Hopefully I find something wrong......

Well Mystery solved!!!! I posted this at 6:24 and I went to the garage jacked the buggy up and dropped the engine. I could see that the flywheel was slightly touching the transmission housing. Apparently I did not torque the flywheel bolts as a few had come loose. This caused a wobble and scrapped the tight fit in the VW housing. I replaced the motor and got it running!!! Cleaned everything up, took a shower and now posting at 9:14 That is less than three hours to drop and repair and replace. Feeling good, but still a @#$%& to drop the engine.

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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: July 30, 2020 02:11AM

Good find and a quick fix. Glad you got it fixed. Time to enjoy it again.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: What' that engine noise?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 30, 2020 08:02AM

Luv the "rear overhung" layout just for that reason!

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