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Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:11PM

Went for a beautiful drive in the mountains yesterday. I was gone for 5 hours, with the car running great the whole way. But on the last stretch, down in the valley not 6 miles away from home, I threw the belt. (Okay, I had just blasted over 90mph passing a slow line of cars that were following a truck.)

No big deal right? I had an extra belt and the necessary tools on hand to change it. But when I opened the bonnet, I saw that the belt had been pulled BELOW the oil filter and wrapped itself under and behind the harmonic balancer.

My pictures don't tell the whole story, because it was extremely bright outside in the 104 degree desert heat, and I wasn't sure where my phone was aiming. You can see from picture #1 how tightly the belt had been pulled, but not the balancer. Picture #2 was after a guy in a truck stopped by to help me cut the belt (it was very tight and I couldn't get enough force to do it myself). You see where it had been wrapped under the oil filter and was wedged behind the balancer. Picture #3 is from after I got it home (AAA) and then engine was cool so I tried pulling the belt out. It is wedged real good and I can't move it. Investigating it with my fingers, it seems to be wrapped around the crank clockwise on the passenger side. I can't figure out how to get it except for maybe to cut the belt even closer and then with the last five or six inches stuck back there just put on another belt and then run it and hope that it falls out.

Would that be a total no no? If it is, what else can I do? I don't want to drop the engine and take off the harmonic balancer and then be stuck having to reset all my timing. Even if I use a puller tool that doesn't require me to move the engine, and I have one of those, I'm not sure I'll be able to get to the piece, which will mean I'll have to drop the engine anyway.

Any thoughts? I really really really don't want to have to take anything apart, I'd rather just run the engine with that little section stuck behind balancer, but I need reassurance that that won't do anything besides make my car smell like rubber. Which isn't a great thing to think about either.

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Eric C. Player, Porterville, CA, USA (Seriously! It's the USA out here!)
MEMBER: CORSA National, Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, Vintage CORSA, Sfba CORSA, and the San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club.
THEN:
1965 Monza 110, Canary Yellow
1965 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red
1966 Monza 110, Purple
1967 Monza 140, Red
1966 500 110, Black; nicknamed "Shadow"
1965 Monza 110, Camaro Yellow; nicknamed "Silver"
NOW:
1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Blue; nicknamed "Bluvair"

"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .'
and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, character of Daniel B. Davis, 'The Door Into Summer.'

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:12PM

And for fun, here's some pictures from my trip.

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: Spectre ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:19PM

Great pics! I think I'd remove as much as I could then try bumping the engine over a couple of times and see if the rest drops out.

David Clamp


1965 Corsa convertible - 140 4spd/3.55/AM-FM

2013 Mustang GT convertible - 5.0, 6spd auto, Procharger i-1

2003 Miata SE - 6spd manual (wife's toy)

"Victory is mine!" - SG

Norman, OK

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:21PM

Grab end that is overlapped then rotate engine while pulling on that end. Belt will unwind as engine is rotated

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC/V8 Registry

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:21PM

David,

That was my idea. Just needed independent verification.

Thank you!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/26/2020 06:24PM by playerpage.

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:21PM

You should probably cut the belt out. Put the new belt on and leave it a bit loose to make sure it wont come off on the way home. Figure out the problem when you get home!

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:26PM

Kevin,

I've already had it towed home, but I will remember that I can do that next time!

Steve,

That's a cold rotation, I assume.

EP

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:33PM

steve c goodman Wrote:
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> Grab end that is overlapped then rotate engine while pulling on that end. Belt will unwind as engine is rotated


What Steve said.
BUT, I would add . . . .
IF you are rotating the engine with the starter, make sure that the ignition system is disconnected.
You don't want to to unwind one direction, only to have a suddenly started engine draw it right back in and wrap it up the other direction!

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:33PM

Doesn't have to be. I wound one between pulley and rear cover once on open highway. I have installed a starter button on each of my cars in engine bay on purpose. I just noted that belt would unwind in normal engine rotation so I grabbed end and pulled as I bumped starter. Presto out of engine. IF rotation of belt is other direction then use wrench on crank bolt to rotate engine.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC/V8 Registry

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:36PM

I guess my next question is what do I unplug so that I can still use the starter but with no hope of catching and starting. Just take all the wires out of the distributor cap?

____________________________________________

Eric C. Player, Porterville, CA, USA (Seriously! It's the USA out here!)
MEMBER: CORSA National, Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, Vintage CORSA, Sfba CORSA, and the San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club.
THEN:
1965 Monza 110, Canary Yellow
1965 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red
1966 Monza 110, Purple
1967 Monza 140, Red
1966 500 110, Black; nicknamed "Shadow"
1965 Monza 110, Camaro Yellow; nicknamed "Silver"
NOW:
1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Blue; nicknamed "Bluvair"

"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .'
and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, character of Daniel B. Davis, 'The Door Into Summer.'

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:39PM

Pull coil wire if you like but engine won't start if key is off or in your pocket

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC/V8 Registry

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:40PM

You do not want to leave it in. Remove that piece even if it meant pulling the pulley away from the crankshaft (maybe half an inch?).

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:49PM

Yes, no key in the ignition makes a car hard to start. But I guess I misunderstood--I though you (Steve) were saying that I should run the starter motor. How can I do that without the key on? That's why I figured I should disengage the coil.

____________________________________________

Eric C. Player, Porterville, CA, USA (Seriously! It's the USA out here!)
MEMBER: CORSA National, Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, Vintage CORSA, Sfba CORSA, and the San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club.
THEN:
1965 Monza 110, Canary Yellow
1965 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red
1966 Monza 110, Purple
1967 Monza 140, Red
1966 500 110, Black; nicknamed "Shadow"
1965 Monza 110, Camaro Yellow; nicknamed "Silver"
NOW:
1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Blue; nicknamed "Bluvair"

"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .'
and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, character of Daniel B. Davis, 'The Door Into Summer.'

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:56PM

Remote starter button. Two wires one to purple wire going to starter and other to battery pos (+). Make sure you are in neutral gear.

You can buy remote starter or make one.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC/V8 Registry

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:58PM

Feed 12 volts to the fat purple wire at the 2 wire connector on the left front of the engine. It goes to the starter.
I meant to mention nice pictures of the trees in the mountains.

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:59PM

Eric make sure unwind will match engine rotation. If unwind is opposite just use wrench as I described above

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC/V8 Registry

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: July 26, 2020 06:59PM

You know, I think I have one! It came with my compression test kit and I was never sure how to hook it up. Thanks!

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: July 26, 2020 07:13PM

Take the power wire off the coil. If you remove the coil output wire you need to remove it on the cap end and then ground it. Firing a coil when disconnected is hard on the ignition system.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 113 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: July 26, 2020 07:23PM

Ground the cap out of the disconnected coil? Okay.

Should I do that if I am using a remote starter, or only when using the key?

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Re: Fan Belt Tossed In A Weird Way
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 26, 2020 07:24PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> Take the power wire off the coil. If you remove the coil output wire you need to remove it on the cap end and then ground it. Firing a coil when disconnected is hard on the ignition system.

Steve sez: He doesn't have to. The engine is not going to start if the ignition isn't turned on. I just offered him a double check for his concern. The engine is only going to turn 1 revolution probably.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC/V8 Registry

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