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Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: July 10, 2020 10:22PM

Getting close to color time on my 66 vert. I'm finding out that the paint companies don't seem to have existing formulas for Code F Marina Blue in basecoat/clearcoat systems. We are getting samples but none are a great match yet.

Any of you out there have experience with getting correct Marina blue paint?

I do have the entire underside of the trunk lid that has not been touched. Could have that scanned. Concern there is that the lacquer paint may have changed color over the 55 years.

Mike

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: July 10, 2020 10:52PM

Mine was Marina Blue. It isn't anymore, but there are spots here and there under the dash which were untouched. It was F-F, Marina Blue inside and out. If yours was single tone too, Try pulling your dash and the brace behind it might have the color you are looking for. That is a spot that would have been out of the daylight all that time, less likely to be affected over the years.

If the interior isn't an option, unscrew the rear light lenses and look under them. Untouched paint often there.

____________________________________________

Eric C. Player, Porterville, CA, USA (Seriously! It's the USA out here!)
MEMBER: CORSA National, Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, Vintage CORSA, Sfba CORSA, and the San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club.
THEN:
1965 Monza 110, Canary Yellow
1965 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red
1966 Monza 110, Purple
1967 Monza 140, Red
1966 500 110, Black; nicknamed "Shadow"
1965 Monza 110, Camaro Yellow; nicknamed "Silver"
NOW:
1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Blue; nicknamed "Bluvair"

"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .'
and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, character of Daniel B. Davis, 'The Door Into Summer.'



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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: detroitdude ()
Date: July 11, 2020 01:26AM

I would P.M. 66ragcorsa
I believe that he went through
what your going through.

Dan Dood
69 Monza Convertible
66 500 Coupe

Detroit, Michigan

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: detroitdude ()
Date: July 11, 2020 01:35AM

Here's a picture of his car and
his pretty wife.

Dan Dood
69 Monza Convertible
66 500 Coupe

Detroit, Michigan

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: 65180 ()
Date: July 11, 2020 07:23AM

Automotivetouchup.com has it. Once on their site, do a search for 67 Chevrolet, all models. Paint code 3680, F, WA3680. Base coat/clear coat. Their paint comes ready to shoot from the can. No need to buy activator. If you are shooting a coupe, plan on a gallon and at least one quart of paint. Make sure you are painting over a primer that is very close to, if not spot on for what the factory used. Different primer colors will create different shades of the top coat you are applying.

If you have not already purchased clear coat, may I recommend Universal clear from Southern Polyurethane Inc. It is a full body clear that shoots amazingly well. It doesn't yellow over time. Do a search for SPI and see what the paint pros say about this clear coat. If you would like to see a sample of the shine it produces go to my FB page Vairs of Distinction and my red Corsa coupe is on there. Or you can visit the Tucson Corvair Association site and under the heading members, locate my name Mike Lake and click on the red Corvair and you will find pictures of the car being prepped for paint and the finished product.

I do not represent either company I mentioned here. I am just giving advice based on my experience.

I hope this helps you and I can't wait to see it done!

Mike Lake
Tucson, Az
65 Corsa 180
65 Corsa 140 sold
66 Monza PG
66 Monza 4sp sold
61 Lakewood sold
61 La[corvaircenter.com]

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: July 11, 2020 07:49AM

I just sent a PM to 66ragcorsa.

That photo is what my car will look like when done, except for black top.

It is worth the effort to get the right paint match. That color is magnificent.

Mike

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: July 11, 2020 09:32AM

If you have the orginal PPG, Ditzler, or other major paint company code from the era a good paint company can match it. I had a couple old colors matched in a basecoat (note the base coat color will look incorrect until you apply the clear coat which changes the shade) and they were correct.

With base/clear coat paint (called 2K) the base is usually not activated and has a dry sheen similar to primer. With metallic paint the base/clear coat produces better color. The one part urethane paints tend to let the metallic settle below the surface. You must observe the manufactures base to clear coat cover times or the clear coat will peel after awhile.

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: July 11, 2020 12:19PM

When I painted my Rampside, PPG didn't have a formula for BC/CC. However, PPG has a color library of actual original sprayouts going back to the beginning of time. (well almost).

For a modest fee, I think it was $50, they'll pull out the original sample and create a color mix. The formula is sent to your local PPG dealer for mixing. Of course you would want to do a test panel just to be sure but it worked out nicely for me.

While I was not surprised they didn't have a formula for 1962 truck Seamist Jade, I would be really surprised if PPG didn't already have the formula for the popular and iconic Marina Blue.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: TerribleTed ()
Date: July 11, 2020 12:48PM

If you have good original sample like the underside of your trunk lid or whatever, taking that to a good auto paint store that has a good technician to make a color match should result in an acceptable color. What they do is find a very close color that is currently formulated and then tint that color closely match your sample. This generally has good results, of course how good depends on the technician and how much time they want to play with the mix. You need to make sure you order more than enough paint as to get more in most cases will mean going back and retinting via the same process so that new paint may not be precisely on the first batch. Having extra to seal in a full can and store will mean you will have a dead on match for use later for touchup or to repaint a panel for a long time. In a full sealed can kept indoors basecoats will usually last for years.

Keep in mind that metallic paints like Marina Blue can vary based on how they are sprayed so no metallic paint is really a dead on match even out of the same can.

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Avid Corvair hobbiest since 1984.
I have personally performed ground up restoration on over 20 Corvairs.
I currently work full time at restoring and repairing Corvairs.
Located in the Atlanta Georgia area.
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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: July 11, 2020 01:15PM

Will get a paint sample from PPG on Monday. I did have the shop preserve the underside of the trunk lid as I (and they) believe it to be original lacquer.

So matching that is possible, as long as the color has not changed over the 54 years since it was sprayed.

And yes, MB is a well loved color, and extends to Chevelle, Corvette, etc. Surprised that it seems so elusive in the market.

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: July 11, 2020 03:04PM

[www.chevelles.com]

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa


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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: 66ragcorsa ()
Date: July 11, 2020 08:00PM

Thanks for the kind words Dan. I sent Mike all the paint info.

Steve T
Michigan
1966 Corsa Convertible
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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: July 11, 2020 08:36PM

Thanks all for the help. I'll post some pics when it comes back from the shop.

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: July 12, 2020 12:31AM


Hey, Flat six Mike, just as a humorous side note. Back in the day Marina Blue was so popular that my friend and I had a saying that when anyone mentioned Marina Blue, we'd answer by saying "weren't they all?" I had at least two that were, can't say how many he had. It just seemed like every other one we'd see or own was Marina Blue, and usually in and out. I eventually got so sick of the color tongue sticking out smiley that I started taking it as a strike against said car. Once I even turned down a '66 Corsa turbo convertible with just 40k miles on it an in almost perfect condition (was even lady driven) just because it was Marina Blue in and out.eye popping smiley

But I eventually found a beautiful Madeira Maroon convert with factory air that I wouldn't have been able to buy had I bought the Corsa.

I'm glad I waited.grinning smiley

-Mark

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: July 12, 2020 08:41AM

67 airvair Wrote:
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>
> Hey, Flat six Mike, just as a humorous side note. Back in the day Marina Blue was so popular that my friend and I had a saying that when anyone mentioned Marina Blue, we'd answer by saying "weren't they all?" I had at least two that were, can't say how many he had. It just seemed like every other one we'd see or own was Marina Blue, and usually in and out. I eventually got so sick of the color tongue sticking out smiley that I started taking it as a strike against said car. Once I even turned down a '66 Corsa turbo convertible with just 40k miles on it an in almost perfect condition (was even lady driven) just because it was Marina Blue in and out.eye popping smiley

> -Mark


Ha! Well Mark, I grew up with my dad owning a Madeira Maroon Corsa, and my first car bought in high school was Madeira Maroon too. It's a nice enough color, but boy I'd had enough of endless Madeira Maroon! So I saw a Marina Blue 66 turbo vert at Palm Springs in 1983. At that point, I knew that my life would not be complete until I had one of my own.

Three years ago that pursuit was finally consummated and I was made whole. I found my dream car: a Marina Blue 66 turbo Corsa convertible with black interior. I would have loved a Marina Blue interior even more, so that I could dive into it and immerse myself in its blueness for the rest of my life.

Marina Blue forever! Yeeaaaah! spinning smiley sticking its tongue outthumbs upsmileys with beer

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: TerribleTed ()
Date: July 12, 2020 10:14AM

flat_six Wrote:
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> Will get a paint sample from PPG on Monday. I did have the shop preserve the underside of the trunk lid as I (and they) believe it to be original lacquer.
>
> So matching that is possible, as long as the color has not changed over the 54 years since it was sprayed.
>
> And yes, MB is a well loved color, and extends to Chevelle, Corvette, etc. Surprised that it seems so elusive in the market.

Paints are not that precise anyway. A Marina blue car from one plant is not likely to match a Marina blue car from another plant. In fact a Marina blue car painted just now may not exactly match the Marina blue car painted next. even today colors are far from precise. many of todays colors have many variant formulas for the same color code. Some lighter, darker, more red, more blue, lighter flop, heavier side tone, etc. etc, etc. Color consistency from batch to batch, brand, to brand, plant to plant does not exist. I know of one Toyota color that has been used for years that has over 20 identified variations...all cars have the same color code. What this means is that if the color closely matches your original sample it is as close as the factory would have gotten anyway.

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Avid Corvair hobbiest since 1984.
I have personally performed ground up restoration on over 20 Corvairs.
I currently work full time at restoring and repairing Corvairs.
Located in the Atlanta Georgia area.
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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: July 12, 2020 12:04PM

Some paint mix places can mix via the model alpha code, some can't (or don't want to).

You can give a good paint supply shop the old PPG, Ditzler, etc. codes and they will do a computer mix. I've done this several times. Once I reordered paint two years later and I expected some variation, but it was correct to the point nobody could see a difference. Better than I expected.

Scanning a surface for a color is the least accurate method now because the finish and underlying primer color interfere with the scan accuracy.

Not hard to find the Marina Blue numbers see [www.corvaircorsa.com]

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: July 12, 2020 02:23PM

Glad you got it sorted. I don't want to leave the impression that I was as against Marina Blue as some of the other guys here. My car was originally Marina exterior and interior, but when I found it, it was covered in primer with no blue on it at all. Plus, the interior was completely stripped empty. Someone had started to paint it metallic black on the inside but never finished. I knew I wanted to keep it blue, but I also wanted to look ahead to future touch-ups and body work, with an easy to match code. So on the outside I went with a Hyper Blue code from a 2014 Subaru WRX, and the interior is 3 generic
tones: "sand beige" "Brilliant Blue" and "Wildflower Blue." All Rustolem spray colors. Turned out great, and I have already had a minor accident that buckled my left rear, which was repaired and color matched with no problems.

____________________________________________

Eric C. Player, Porterville, CA, USA (Seriously! It's the USA out here!)
MEMBER: CORSA National, Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, Vintage CORSA, Sfba CORSA, and the San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club.
THEN:
1965 Monza 110, Canary Yellow
1965 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red
1966 Monza 110, Purple
1967 Monza 140, Red
1966 500 110, Black; nicknamed "Shadow"
1965 Monza 110, Camaro Yellow; nicknamed "Silver"
NOW:
1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Blue; nicknamed "Bluvair"

"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .'
and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, character of Daniel B. Davis, 'The Door Into Summer.'

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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: July 18, 2020 12:39AM

PPG comes through!


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Re: Marina Blue HELP
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: July 18, 2020 10:35AM

thumbs up

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Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
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