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OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 24, 2020 09:38AM

Hey Everyone,

Just got my G3500 back from the shop.

I had forgotten that the cooler lines are starting leaking a little.
Signs that things are only going to get worse.

How can I fix ONLY the hose part of the factory cooler lines without replacing the entire thing?

I was wondering if those compression type fittings we use for the vacuum tube under the carbs would work or not, with a hose barb on one end?

One cooler line is for oil. So that's what; no more than what 80PSI.

However, the other cooler line is for the automatic transmission and I know the PSI on them is extremely high.
But, then again people do use hose and hose clamps with after market coolers.
However, I don't think the lines have any kind of barbs or lip on them to help keep the hose by itself from slipping off.
I'm not 100% sure if the compression fitting will stay on the factory hard line or not?



Thanks, Tony



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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: Spectre ()
Date: June 24, 2020 10:02AM

Is there an independent automotive AC repair shop near you? A long time ago when I had my Ford Probe GT, the AC lines started leaking. I priced new lines from Ford and was able to get new ones made for a fraction of the cost. I just removed the old lines and gave them to the shop to use as a template.

David Clamp


1965 Corsa convertible - 140 4spd/3.55/AM-FM

2013 Mustang GT convertible - 5.0, 6spd auto, Procharger i-1

2003 Miata SE - 6spd manual (wife's toy)

"Victory is mine!" - SG

Norman, OK

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: June 24, 2020 10:24AM

Automatic transmissions have very high internal pressures but not at the cooler or at least none that I know of do.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 114 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 24, 2020 10:53AM

[swagelok.com]

PFA Tube Fittings
Features: Temperatures from 70 to 400°F (20 to 204°C); Working pressures up to 275 psig (18.9 bar); Sizes from 1/8 to 1/2 in.

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 24, 2020 01:03PM

MattNall Wrote:
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> [swagelok.com]
>
> PFA Tube Fittings
> Features: Temperatures from 70 to 400°F (20 to 204°C); Working pressures up to 275 psig (18.9 bar); Sizes from 1/8 to 1/2 in.


Matt,

You don't think ATF or OIL with diesel fuel in it will ruin those plastic fittings?

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 24, 2020 02:29PM

They make STEEL fittings also..

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: Pacerace ()
Date: June 24, 2020 03:33PM

A friend of mine purchased Mercedes 300e for cheap because it puked all it's trans fluid on the owners driveway. We pulled it home, cut the rubber part of the trans cooler line out, and clamped a 5/8" hose onto both crimp fittings. The car drove great, never leaked from there, and his uncle drove it for 3 years before selling it. Now oil cooler lines probably see more pressure, and a hose clamped connection may not be enough to handle the pressure, especially when it's cold. I wouldn't want to risk it on an oil cooler. We did it on a $600 car to see if the trans was fine, and they just never "fixed" it because our bandaid fix never gave them any more trouble.

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Chandler
Powder Springs, GA.



1965 Corvair Monza 110/4sp Coupe

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: June 24, 2020 03:45PM

Replacing the entire line isn't that much of a job and each line from one end to the other runs under $50. Connections at both the radiator and oil filter are quick disconnects.

As for your transmission cooler, in my understanding those lines are very low pressure, like 5 PSI.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: June 24, 2020 05:39PM

Craigs comment,
combined with your own statement,
"Signs that things are only going to get worse."
Should be enough to make you just jump in and do it CORRECTLY right now.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 24, 2020 05:50PM

American Mel Wrote:
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> Craigs comment,
> combined with your own statement,
> "Signs that things are only going to get worse."
> Should be enough to make you just jump in and do it CORRECTLY right now.


Easy for you to say.. But I've got lots to get done by a deadline... And
you do recall my health set back. Grin

PLUS getting stuff shipped here to Canada has always be a little slow but it is more of a pain now. Big time delays.
I ordered stuff from USA 2 days ago and it has not even been shipped yet, because they are short staffed.

OH and I FORGOT - The truck is now at Kevin's shop so he can build a custom flatbed for me. BIG GRIN



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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: June 24, 2020 06:52PM

Oh believe me, you are going to have PLENTY of time.
Read my response on your other G3500 thread.
With many states experiencing an uptick in China Virus cases, the border is not going to open any time soon.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 24, 2020 07:20PM

American Mel Wrote:
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> Oh believe me, you are going to have PLENTY of time.
> Read my response on your other G3500 thread.
> With many states experiencing an uptick in China Virus cases, the border is not going to open any time soon.


But I have a get out of jail FREE card - for one time use. GRIN

And I plan to use it by the end of JULY, "IF" they extend the latest restriction deadline of July 22nd and don't lift it. GRIN



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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 24, 2020 07:28PM

How much of these items are available in Canada?

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 24, 2020 08:02PM

MattNall Wrote:
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> How much of these items are available in Canada?


Matt,

Some parts are available and some not!

But the key thing is COST...

People who don't live here don't get it.
A lot of items cost way more here.

But I purchased the one here just to get the truck to Kevin's shop on time.
I paid $442 Canadian for a new PMD controller only.

However, I had ordered, from the USA, what is known as a PMD relocation kit.

The Kit comes with a NEW PMD, heat skin plate, hardware and wiring harness and it ONLY costed $55.58USD and 15.91USD shipping for a total of just $93CAD..
But it will not get here for another 2 to 3 weeks. (I would have missed the window were Kevin was able to do the flatbed for me.)
That is 4.75% more ($93CAD vs $442CAD) and I get more in the kit than just a PMD alone..

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075FKGVJ6/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And one parts store wanted $1,109.29CAD for the PMD relocation kit.

Our local GM dealer wanted over $900 CAD for the PMD alone..



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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 24, 2020 08:13PM

Matt,

Make sure you read my post above and then you call your local GM dealer.
Ask them the cost of a PMD for a 2001 Chevy 6.5 Turbo Diesel G3500 cut-a-way or cab and chassis.
Let me know the cost in your area.



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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: June 24, 2020 09:59PM

"People who don't live here don't get it.
A lot of items cost way more here."


Tony is correct.
Canadian prices on auto parts is exorbitant!
I have bought a few things up there due to time restraints and distance traveled.
But otherwise, no way!
I asked the guy at the Napa store why his price was so much higher than the U.S. price, and he told me that it was all the import duties.
It seems that when they order a part, even if it comes from China, it goes to the U.S. first.
THEN gets IMPORTED to Canada.
Everybody and their brother, their sister, her father-in-law, and the neighbors dog, gets a piece of the pie!
So yes Tony, some of us DO GET IT! cool smiley

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry



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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 24, 2020 10:24PM

If the rubber hosed section is where it's leaking find a local Hydraulic shop to crimp new hose.

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 25, 2020 04:29AM

MattNall Wrote:
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> If the rubber hosed section is where it's leaking find a local Hydraulic shop to crimp new hose.


Kevin happens to do hydraulic hoses for the farmers and truck equipment.
I'll ask him today...

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: idiyaught ()
Date: June 25, 2020 04:45AM

It is more than duties, Corvair gas tanks made in Canada about 7 years age were $100 more here.

John Oostdyk
Thornhill, Ont
63 Rampy
65 Greenbrier
64 Convertible

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Re: OT - How Can I Fix the Cooler Lines WITHOUT replacing them
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 25, 2020 05:43AM

MattNall Wrote:
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> If the rubber hosed section is where it's leaking find a local Hydraulic shop to crimp new hose.


Hey Matt,

Now that I had my first C[__] of tea I'm somewhat awake.

IF Kevin were to put new hoses on that way - I still have to remove the entire lines.

Maybe I should buy new ones then. Depending on the cost.

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