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OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 19, 2020 06:04PM

I've been doing a lot of pricing because it is so hot outside the last 2 days.

The next step is to figure out which style "stand-up" sleeper box I can use.

When I remove the cab extension; I will have an opening on the back of the cab that is 79" wide and 59" tall.

I'll have to call around and find a place kind enough to provide measurements before I buy a sleeper box.

Below are the same STYLE SLEEPER BOX with 2 different kinds of opening:

Short Opening


Taller Opening




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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 19, 2020 08:07PM

The other thing I need to decide on, before I buy a sleeper box, is the FAIRING - With or Without??

Will it really make a difference with the kind of mileage the truck gets or not?

To compare the look:

With FAIRING



Without FAIRING




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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 25, 2020 08:01PM

I tried signing up for this auction and was going to bid today.

However, I could not ask questions and make sure they would ship it and for how much.

Here is a link to what I missed out on, even if it cost another $600 to $800 to ship...

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 26, 2020 09:26AM

Tony, have you checked on the weight of one of these? From what I see 1500lbs?

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 26, 2020 10:04AM

MattNall Wrote:
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> Tony, have you checked on the weight of one of these? From what I see 1500lbs?


Matt,

Where did you see the weight information provided for a sleeper box?

I would not think they weigh that much. But then again, maybe they do.

They are a lot less than a full box on a box-truck or an ambulance box and that is what was on this G3500.

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 26, 2020 10:06AM

I called a friend who is familiar with these. She said 500 lb. per 20"

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 26, 2020 10:18AM

MattNall Wrote:
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> I called a friend who is familiar with these. She said 500 lb. per 20"


And a big full box, on a box truck, like the ones used for a moving truck or an ambulance box would weigh much more.

So what's your point?

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: June 26, 2020 10:21AM

Fairing or no?

In my opinion - you will not offset the cost of the fairing with fuel mileage savings for YEARS (decades?) of driving this thing.

How many miles / year to do you plan on putting on the rig?

The added weight of the fairing probably negates its mileage savings, again, unless you are driving every single day, hundreds of miles.

Eric P.
DeWitt, IA

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 26, 2020 10:29AM

isucorvair Wrote:
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> Fairing or no?
>
> In my opinion - you will not offset the cost of the fairing with fuel mileage savings for YEARS (decades?) of driving this thing.
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> How many miles / year to do you plan on putting on the rig?
>
> The added weight of the fairing probably negates its mileage savings, again, unless you are driving every single day, hundreds of miles.
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> Eric P.
> DeWitt, IA


Eric,

I honestly did not think the fairings would provide much of any benefit!
I wanted to get people involved.

I like the look either way. But More than likely I will go without them.
Why - Because the sleeper box is just a little narrower than the flatbed will be and the fairings will only be in the way.

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 27, 2020 01:03PM

Okay,

Matt got me curious:

How much do you think a 102" long by 96" wide steel flatbed might weigh?

vs

How much do you think a complete dually Chevy truck bed, with tailgate and lights, might weigh?

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: June 27, 2020 01:16PM

If the steel flatbed is custom built, and not a production item, it would be impossible to state an actual figure.
It all depends on who built it, and how "solid" it is built.
The home-brewed one on our truck at work, was built incredibly overkilled!
Probably close to a TON all by itself!
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As for the pick-up bed, I have no real knowledge, but was once told that they weigh around 600-700 pounds.
.
Tell us Tony, HOW MUCH?

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 28, 2020 06:10AM

OttawaCorvairGuy Wrote:
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> MattNall Wrote:
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> > I called a friend who is familiar with these. She said 500 lb. per 20"
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>
> And a big full box, on a box truck, like the ones used for a moving truck or an ambulance box would weigh much more.
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> So what's your point?


500 lb. per 20" ggg

20" by length or by width and not in square inches or feet?

Would't it matter how long or wide it is, bases on this 20" she is talking about and what about how tall it might be?

I find this odd, how she came up with 500 lb. per 20" and not square feet or even cubic feet...


BY the way talking about all this weight being added to the tuck.

Doesn't a truck need a good amount of weight? (A happy balance so to speak)
If it is too light:
1. it bounces around, when bobtail, too much without any weight on the back of the chassis
2. Not a good either when you have a pull behind trailer either.
If the tow vehicle tail-end wants to bounce around all different directions.
Hard for any trailer to track or follow the tow vehicle well.
3. couldn't going down hills with the extra weight of a loaded trailer push a truck that is too light, if the truck did not have a good balance of weight?

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 28, 2020 08:21AM

OttawaCorvairGuy Wrote:
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> I find this odd, how she came up with 500 lb. per 20" and not square feet or even cubic feet...
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My friend owns a small dry freight / open flats/ 7 trucks serving truck repair centers nationwide. Hauls this stuff often. Over 30 yrs. She knows!

And having built a rig to do what you want to do..I know the pitfalls, "Rolling load weight" being your biggest obstacle.

I'm trying to help, so you don't end up with more "yard art" like your v8 Ultra.

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 28, 2020 01:29PM

Mel,

Glen at https://www.southerntruckboxes.com/new-take-off-beds tells me that a truck bed, with gate, weighs 800 lbs.

My guess is that the custom flatbed might weigh in around 1,000 to 1,500 lbs.

Currently, the rear end of the G3500 is sitting so high that there is NO load what so ever on the rear springs.
They are fully extended.

When I drive as is "bobtail" the back end bounces all over the place.

It is only a guess. But my guess is that 800 to 1,000 lbs. will help settle the back end down and provide a nice ride from the weight.

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 28, 2020 01:55PM

The SLEEPER BOX

Yes it's going to add weight. But I hope the trade off pays off.

I always thought it would be cool to have one on a toy hauler.

But the sleeper box is also a way to save money while on the road.

More so after my bad experience trying to rescue UV548 in IA, back in 2018 and 2019 for a total of 3 trips there and back..

The first trip alone out there I spent over $800 in hotel cost only.
Not to mention all the meals I had out.

On my way home I could not find a hotel room for under $158 in MI.

So I figure, if I spend 1k to even up to 5k on a nice sleeper box with install / fab work included and only figure at $100 per night; it would pay for it self in a short time.

Plus I would then have a place to store food and fix some meals, with only a small refrigerator and microwave, so I don't eat out as much.
Saving me even more, when I go on an overnight road trip.
Hey, And no more dragging my thing into a hotel room and back to the vehicle again. LOL

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: RexJohnson ()
Date: June 28, 2020 08:27PM

Besides total weight you would also want to check front and rear axles individually. Some of those 1 tons don't have a very high GVW rating on the front axle.

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Re: OT - Next step to figure out which style sleeper box I can use..
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: June 29, 2020 03:50AM

RexJohnson Wrote:
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> Besides total weight you would also want to check front and rear axles individually. Some of those 1 tons don't have a very high GVW rating on the front axle.


Not sure how to check that.

It does not have a factory sticker that provides the front and rear GVW.
It has one from the body "box" manufacturer that outfitted the truck and then sold it.

It did have a very heavy "fully loaded" ambulance box on the back, before I got it.

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