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Clutch problem
Posted by: JRAY ()
Date: June 09, 2020 05:35PM

So, back with a new issue. A week ago, while taking the Corvair for the longest trip it been on since I've had (45 minutes away), I noticed it started getting a little hard to go into third, then first and second became an issue until it wouldn't go into any gear and left me on the side of the road. I won't get into the details of Hagerty's local towing service leaving me waiting for an hour and fourty five mintues before getting a mile from me just to ditch me for another job, so back to the issue at hand. The clutch pedal was almost to the floor, so I thought it might be the cable, since that seems to be a common problem, and I have no idea how old this one is. I got new one in from Clark's today, and started disassembly. Well, that's not the issue. So my question is, what's the next thing I should look at? Its a '66 3 speed. Thanks in advance!

'66 500 Coupe
Georgia

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 09, 2020 06:11PM

Clutch pedal has cracked at the weld?

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: June 09, 2020 06:34PM

Clutch cross shaft in the back has broken a weld on a lever?
Is the replacement cable the same length as the one you removed?


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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: June 09, 2020 07:06PM

More detailed information would help. Matt made a good guess based on the limited info.
"The clutch pedal was almost to the floor"
Has it always been that way or did it gradually get worse as it got harder to shift?
Does it shift fine when it isn't running?

BTW the couple of times I've used Hagerty towing it was great.

Wagon's idea is good. The welds on the cross shafts are often pretty poor. I've had them break.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 114 Corvairs and counting...




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2020 07:08PM by joelsplace.

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: June 09, 2020 07:24PM

I can't speak to your exact issue, but very similar thing occurred to me last October when I was out on a date with my wife. We drove for a while and then 30 miles into it I stopped being able to go into gear in that same way. It wasn't the cable, it was where the clutch linkage was attached. The pin wasn't really correct (just a nail and it was falling out. I got it put back together and adjusted and problem solved.

____________________________________________

Eric C. Player, Porterville, CA, USA (Seriously! It's the USA out here!)
MEMBER: CORSA National, Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, Vintage CORSA, Sfba CORSA, and the San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club.
THEN:
1965 Monza 110, Canary Yellow
1965 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red
1966 Monza 110, Purple
1967 Monza 140, Red
1966 500 110, Black; nicknamed "Shadow"
1965 Monza 110, Camaro Yellow; nicknamed "Silver"
NOW:
1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Blue; nicknamed "Bluvair"

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and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else."
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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: JRAY ()
Date: June 09, 2020 07:45PM

MattNall Wrote:
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> Clutch pedal has cracked at the weld?


BOOM! That's it, sort of! I would've never noticed it without it being mentioned. So I got in it to double check, and looking closely, the lever connected to the clutch pedal, that the clutch cable ball end locks into, cracked at the weld. I've looked, closely I thought, but not close enough for that. Well, at least it'll have a new clutch cable too. Thanks everyone for the ideas! Now I've got to squeeze my big ass in there to try and get it out to have it re-welded.

'66 500 Coupe
Georgia

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: June 09, 2020 07:51PM

Be sure to keep that original cable. The replacement ones from Clark's don't last long.

Joel
Northlake, TX
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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: JRAY ()
Date: June 09, 2020 08:09PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> Be sure to keep that original cable. The replacement ones from Clark's don't last long.


Did that too. Thanks!

'66 500 Coupe
Georgia

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: June 10, 2020 03:45AM

Also complain to Hagerty about the towing!

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: JRAY ()
Date: June 10, 2020 04:35AM

vairmech Wrote:
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> Also complain to Hagerty about the towing!

Oh, I did, and sent a nice email along which the receipt from the towing company that we use at my job, who had it loaded and on the way home in 15 minutes.

'66 500 Coupe
Georgia

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: June 10, 2020 06:04AM

If it has buckets, 4 bolts to pull the drivers seat, much easier to work up there.

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: JRAY ()
Date: June 10, 2020 09:54AM

jjohnsonjo Wrote:
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> If it has buckets, 4 bolts to pull the drivers seat, much easier to work up there.


Its bench, but still not too bad to get out, just need some extra hands.

'66 500 Coupe
Georgia

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: JRAY ()
Date: June 10, 2020 03:38PM

Anyone know if I can remove that clutch rod/lever without removing the whole assembly? From the looks of it, it appears that I have to remove the master cylinder and the steering column to get to them or the wheel clutch/brake pedal assembly out to have that welded.

'66 500 Coupe
Georgia

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: June 10, 2020 03:51PM

1965 shop manual pg 7-4 figure 7-8 shows pic and instructions are on that page too. The shaft will remove toward center of the car. I always remove the defroster Y duct just for ease. Watch the dainty nylon bushings that clutch shaft and brake pedal swivel on. Use a bit of lube on the pieces when it goes back together too.

Oh, you don't have to remove master cylinder or column.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: JRAY ()
Date: June 10, 2020 05:45PM

steve c goodman Wrote:
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> 1965 shop manual pg 7-4 figure 7-8 shows pic and instructions are on that page too. The shaft will remove toward center of the car. I always remove the defroster Y duct just for ease. Watch the dainty nylon bushings that clutch shaft and brake pedal swivel on. Use a bit of lube on the pieces when it goes back together too.
>
> Oh, you don't have to remove master cylinder or column.

Awesome! Thanks, Steve! I need to grab a manual.

'66 500 Coupe
Georgia

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: JRAY ()
Date: June 11, 2020 06:23PM

After wrestling with it for a while, I finally got three culprit out.

'66 500 Coupe
Georgia



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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: June 11, 2020 07:48PM

My first wholly-owned Corvair was a 66 500 with bench seats. (Earlier, I drove 2 of them belonging to my dad.) I loved it. Are you running a powerglide?

____________________________________________

Eric C. Player, Porterville, CA, USA (Seriously! It's the USA out here!)
MEMBER: CORSA National, Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, Vintage CORSA, Sfba CORSA, and the San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club.
THEN:
1965 Monza 110, Canary Yellow
1965 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red
1966 Monza 110, Purple
1967 Monza 140, Red
1966 500 110, Black; nicknamed "Shadow"
1965 Monza 110, Camaro Yellow; nicknamed "Silver"
NOW:
1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Blue; nicknamed "Bluvair"

"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .'
and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, character of Daniel B. Davis, 'The Door Into Summer.'

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 11, 2020 07:51PM

Eric!! Clutch problem ggg Typical fail after60 years!

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: texas yenko dude ()
Date: June 11, 2020 08:26PM

I had one crack at the same place almost 30 years ago. Mine did not break near as nasty. Mine was very clean. I was able to weld it right back together and put it back in. It was a pain, but not a big deal.

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Re: Clutch problem
Posted by: JRAY ()
Date: June 12, 2020 05:20AM

Yeah, it's clean through to the end. I wonder if I can find one or find someone to repair this one.

'66 500 Coupe
Georgia

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