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LED tail lights
Posted by:
ken
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Date: April 10, 2020 10:09AM
I think this has been discussed before but I couldn't find it. Installed LED tail lights. Running light only - ok. Turn only - ok . But they wont work when both are tried . Old type bulbs work ok.
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
MattNall
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Date: April 10, 2020 10:20AM
Ken, Flasher with a Ground.. that'll fix it usually
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Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
MattNall
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Date: April 10, 2020 10:34AM
They should. Newer cars use them
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Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
vairmech
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Date: April 10, 2020 10:39AM
What car is this? and Early? That is a tail light housing issue. Late? Still could be a grounding issue.
Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586
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Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586
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Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
jjohnsonjo
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Date: April 10, 2020 11:05AM
[www.amazon.com]
This probably the solution
J.O.
65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo
Bethlehem,Pa
This probably the solution
J.O.
65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo
Bethlehem,Pa
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
oldqmguy
()
Date: April 10, 2020 11:32AM
Here is "HOW" I did it! 
When I got my 1967 Monza More Door I had already decided to upgrade all the electrical systems! This included putting LED lamps everywhere I could.
Back 'then' (2016) Wal-Mart had Pilot Automotive LED's on-the-shelf, including 1157 replacements (in RED, AMBER, and WHITE) for $14.95 a SET! That was two LED Bulbs in a plastic package with a built in battery and push button to TEST one of the Bulbs so you could see what it looked like.
I had already put in new tail light sockets and had gone to the local NAPA store and got a '3 wire Flasher' ($24.95) so I was ready for LED's!
I bought one of the Pilot 1157 kits (RED) and went home to try them out. OOPS, small problem. The way the LED's are assembled is between two round Printed Circuit Boards. The 'lower' one was a little to big let the Bulb go all the way into the socket!
After looking at the Bulbs I decided to try and 'reduce' the diameter of the lower PC Board. I fired up my grinder and using the fine wheel held the Bulb's lower Board against it while turning the Bulb by hand. This took several tries but I finally got it to seat in the socket!
They work REALLY WELL and the 3-wire flasher worked fine with LED's in the Tail/Stop lights and 1157's in the front.
I went back to Wal-Mart to get a set of the Pilot AMBER 1157 LED's but found that they no longer sold them! Phooey!
I found that I could order them on the computer so I did that and had to do my "fix" on the PC Board but they also work great!
In the picture you can see the 'lower' PC Board (next to the metal plug).
These work well and are available on the "network" and I don't think I could beat them for the price!
Good Luck!
Dale
Dale E. Smiley CPBE
Life Member The Society of Broadcast Engineers
RETIRED Broadcast Engineer
CERTIFIED CORVAIR NUT
CORSA/Circle City Corvairs/Corvair Performance Group
Avon, Indiana
WB9SFF
1967 4-Door Monza PG!
When I got my 1967 Monza More Door I had already decided to upgrade all the electrical systems! This included putting LED lamps everywhere I could.
Back 'then' (2016) Wal-Mart had Pilot Automotive LED's on-the-shelf, including 1157 replacements (in RED, AMBER, and WHITE) for $14.95 a SET! That was two LED Bulbs in a plastic package with a built in battery and push button to TEST one of the Bulbs so you could see what it looked like.
I had already put in new tail light sockets and had gone to the local NAPA store and got a '3 wire Flasher' ($24.95) so I was ready for LED's!
I bought one of the Pilot 1157 kits (RED) and went home to try them out. OOPS, small problem. The way the LED's are assembled is between two round Printed Circuit Boards. The 'lower' one was a little to big let the Bulb go all the way into the socket!
After looking at the Bulbs I decided to try and 'reduce' the diameter of the lower PC Board. I fired up my grinder and using the fine wheel held the Bulb's lower Board against it while turning the Bulb by hand. This took several tries but I finally got it to seat in the socket!
They work REALLY WELL and the 3-wire flasher worked fine with LED's in the Tail/Stop lights and 1157's in the front.
I went back to Wal-Mart to get a set of the Pilot AMBER 1157 LED's but found that they no longer sold them! Phooey!
I found that I could order them on the computer so I did that and had to do my "fix" on the PC Board but they also work great!
In the picture you can see the 'lower' PC Board (next to the metal plug).
These work well and are available on the "network" and I don't think I could beat them for the price!
Good Luck!
Dale
Dale E. Smiley CPBE
Life Member The Society of Broadcast Engineers
RETIRED Broadcast Engineer
CERTIFIED CORVAIR NUT
CORSA/Circle City Corvairs/Corvair Performance Group
Avon, Indiana
WB9SFF
1967 4-Door Monza PG!
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Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
ken
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Date: April 10, 2020 11:49AM
Thanks everybody . Got a flasher on order from Amazon for 10 bucks . None at my FLAPS
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
cschneider53
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Date: April 10, 2020 01:10PM
The Sylvania ZEVO LED replacements work perfect right out of the box with no modifications necessary. I've tried a lot of LEDs and nothing comes close. I also like how they are nice and bright but don't appear to have the narrow angles of most LEDs. In other words, they look like nice and bright incandescents.
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
Chasgee
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Date: April 10, 2020 04:02PM
I used this thread, but picked up the “bulbs” locally. Had to order the flasher.
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Chuck Gee
Carlsbad, CA
1963 Monza 102 - in the family from new - Sold
1966 Corsa 140 Coupe
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Chuck Gee
Carlsbad, CA
1963 Monza 102 - in the family from new - Sold
1966 Corsa 140 Coupe
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
Lane66m
()
Date: April 10, 2020 05:37PM
Ken:
Earlier this year, I had all LED park/tail/turn/brake with the grounded electronic flasher on my 66 More Door. Whenever turn or brakes were used, the tail/license lights flash. Even dash lights flash. Those lights were off. Even with just one led 1157 in the back and 2 led 1157s in front, it happens. Put both 1157 incandescent bulbs in the back and the 1157 LEDs in the front, there is no issue. Rick has same issue on his 65 More Door. We do not understand this hyper flashing on the park light system. We bought our bulbs of eBay (not the cheapest but close and not most expensive.
So please don't believe that the electronic flasher will cure a park light circuit hyper flash issue, if this is your issue. But it is still required for the LED bulbs to function correctly.
I am still running with the old 1157s in the back, until I can install the load resistors I bought. Who knows if they will fix it. Resistors have to be put in turn signal circuit ground wire at the bulb. Will be interesting to try on the self-grounding sockets. Still thinking about how to do it.
Al
Georgia
Earlier this year, I had all LED park/tail/turn/brake with the grounded electronic flasher on my 66 More Door. Whenever turn or brakes were used, the tail/license lights flash. Even dash lights flash. Those lights were off. Even with just one led 1157 in the back and 2 led 1157s in front, it happens. Put both 1157 incandescent bulbs in the back and the 1157 LEDs in the front, there is no issue. Rick has same issue on his 65 More Door. We do not understand this hyper flashing on the park light system. We bought our bulbs of eBay (not the cheapest but close and not most expensive.
So please don't believe that the electronic flasher will cure a park light circuit hyper flash issue, if this is your issue. But it is still required for the LED bulbs to function correctly.
I am still running with the old 1157s in the back, until I can install the load resistors I bought. Who knows if they will fix it. Resistors have to be put in turn signal circuit ground wire at the bulb. Will be interesting to try on the self-grounding sockets. Still thinking about how to do it.
Al
Georgia
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
jjohnsonjo
()
Date: April 10, 2020 07:19PM
I am hot using load resisters and no problems with all LED light including the hazard flashers. Just a grounded electronic flasher
J.O.
65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo
Bethlehem,Pa
J.O.
65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo
Bethlehem,Pa
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
Lane66m
()
Date: April 11, 2020 01:21AM
J.O.
Where did you get your 1157 red bulbs? That may be the answer Rick and I are looking for.
Al
Georgia
Where did you get your 1157 red bulbs? That may be the answer Rick and I are looking for.
Al
Georgia
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
joelsplace
()
Date: April 12, 2020 06:34AM
If you put a resistor in the ground wire it will decrease the load and lower the voltage. Aren't you trying to increase load? If so, you'll have to put it between the hot for the LED and ground. You'll need 2 resistors for a tail/stop LED.
Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 114 Corvairs and counting...
Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 114 Corvairs and counting...
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
jjohnsonjo
()
Date: April 12, 2020 07:08AM
[www.amazon.com]
J.O.
65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo
Bethlehem,Pa
J.O.
65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo
Bethlehem,Pa
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
Lane66m
()
Date: April 14, 2020 03:28AM
J.O.
Just ordered bulbs from JDM for $32.99 w/FREE shipping. Amazon was $29.99 plus shipping, but won't deliver until May 10.
About the electronic flasher, where did you ground it? I grounded mine right on the structure where the flasher clamp is located.
Al
Georgia
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/14/2020 03:32AM by Lane66m.
Just ordered bulbs from JDM for $32.99 w/FREE shipping. Amazon was $29.99 plus shipping, but won't deliver until May 10.
About the electronic flasher, where did you ground it? I grounded mine right on the structure where the flasher clamp is located.
Al
Georgia
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/14/2020 03:32AM by Lane66m.
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
goatsnvairs
()
Date: April 14, 2020 05:28AM
jjohnsonjo Wrote:
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> I am hot using load resisters and no problems with all LED light including the hazard flashers. Just a grounded electronic flasher
Me too, and I'm not even using a grounded flasher, just a 2 prong led flasher. All from superbright leds....
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> I am hot using load resisters and no problems with all LED light including the hazard flashers. Just a grounded electronic flasher
Me too, and I'm not even using a grounded flasher, just a 2 prong led flasher. All from superbright leds....
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
Lane66m
()
Date: April 14, 2020 05:38AM
How did you wire in the load resistors? I need to know just in case the JDM bulbs J recommended doesn't solve the issue on our cars.
Al
Georgia
Al
Georgia
Re: LED tail lights
Posted by:
jjohnsonjo
()
Date: April 14, 2020 06:06AM
You won't need to the resistors with the e flasher. The resister is needed when you install LEDs to a newer car where the flashers are driven by the ECM. You will get a Hyper flash condition because it doesn't see a load. You add the resister to the 12v or hot side of the circuit to ground or basically in parallel with the bulb to simulate the load of an incandecent, thus defeating the low power consumption of the LED. Don't use if you don't need. I also used a grounded flasher in the hazard system as well. I grounded to one of the screws that hols the dash assy to the frame.
I know the are pricey, but my luck with cheap LEDs is about the same as in the casino. They are blinding bright, don't look straight at them without the lens. I used the amber/white switchback version in the front withe Dave's clear lenses. Coming the the road it looks like a modern car with super bright LED markers.
J.O.
65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo
Bethlehem,Pa
I know the are pricey, but my luck with cheap LEDs is about the same as in the casino. They are blinding bright, don't look straight at them without the lens. I used the amber/white switchback version in the front withe Dave's clear lenses. Coming the the road it looks like a modern car with super bright LED markers.
J.O.
65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo
Bethlehem,Pa
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