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She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: April 01, 2020 01:57PM

So, I just drove down to the local Community Center, about 1 to 1.5 miles from my house.
As I pulled into the lot, the car stumbled and DIED!
This is not too unusual since at this short distance it hasn't really had enough time to truly get warmed-up.
BUT, when I tried to restart it, all it wants to do is turn over, but won't fire.
I called a friend and got a ride home.
We will go back after 5:00 pm (Sheriff will be off-duty then) and drag her home.

I am currently running:
140 4spd.,
Electric Fuel Pump,
Center Mount Holley,
Stinger ignition,

All wires appear fine.
Engine turns over.
Fuel pump runs.
There is fuel coming out of the accelerator pumps.
Everything seems to point to a "no spark" situation.

Any suggestions?
How do you check a Stinger Ignition System? (I do NOT want to damage it!)

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry
[corvaircenter.com]

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: April 01, 2020 02:04PM

Of course I'm talking turbo, but it's usually been a choke issue for me.

Although I did own a 110 for years that would occasionally do this. It's just dry for some reason, not getting enough gas when it should be. A little starting fluid and it starts right up.

That's not me analyzing what is truly wrong with your car, that's just me saying I found that when my car would run and run and turn over and turn over but never fire up, starting fluid often fixed it. And adjusting the choke often fixed that particular problem for good.

Another possibility is that your electric fuel pump is plugged up for some reason. Try changing your fuel filter/filters. I also once had to replace the fuel pump completely to fix the issue.

These might seem like no-brainers, but sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one.

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Eric C. Player, Fargo, ND, USA
MEMBER: CORSA National, Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, Vintage CORSA, Sfba CORSA, and the San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club. Those may change. winking smiley
THEN:
1965 Monza 110, Canary Yellow
1965 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red
1966 Monza 110, Purple
1967 Monza 140, Red
1966 500 110, Black; nicknamed "Shadow"
1965 Monza 110, Camaro Yellow; nicknamed "Silver"
NOW:
1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Blue; nicknamed "Bluvair"

"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .'
and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, character of Daniel B. Davis, 'The Door Into Summer.'



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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: April 01, 2020 02:10PM

Thanks Eric.
But she IS getting PLENTY of fuel.
THAT is one of the things I checked, . . . and DOUBLE checked.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry
[corvaircenter.com]

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: Goop Of Oil ()
Date: April 01, 2020 02:15PM

Hi Mel,

Check for voltage at the coil with the key on. If ok, I would replace the distributor with a stock one and see if it starts. Could be in the Stinger.

Mark Holmlund

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: April 01, 2020 02:38PM

That is a great idea...take a distributor with you.

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: April 01, 2020 03:10PM

Bring a spare spark plug with you. remove a spark plug boot (#2 is good) and put the spare plug into it. ground the body of the plug and try cranking it. If the spark jumps the plug gap, the ignition is probably okay. If no spark, hook a jumper from the coil negative - where the yellow lead from the dist connects - and, with the ignition on, ground - momentarily - the jumper. Just a touch. as you release the touch, a spark should jump the plug. Try doing the "momentary ground" a few times real quick. Look for a spark. If no spark, the coil is likely bad. If grounding the lead and removing it gives you a spark, the module inside the dist has probably failed. Let me know.

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: solo2r ()
Date: April 01, 2020 06:31PM

Unless there is a Passenger, good idea to bring a starter button and pins to be able to crank engine while checking things out back there!

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: goatsnvairs ()
Date: April 01, 2020 06:47PM

Scary forum topic title in these times! Glad it was a car!

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: Vairismo ()
Date: April 01, 2020 06:57PM

Also a good idea to check to see if the distributor rotor is turning. Wouldn't be the first time that the distributor gear sheared the retaining pin. Good luck!

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: engr1962 ()
Date: April 01, 2020 07:25PM

I had something like this happen, the cam on the point broke off, no spark!

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: April 01, 2020 07:39PM

What kind of cam gear do you have in that engine?
Yes, check the ignition as described. However in the 50 plus years I have been driving our favorite car's... I have twice experienced exactly what happened to you.
Turns out in both cases, the aftermarket "cast" cam gear's just broke apart. Neither time was this with a performance engine. 95hp and 110hp with automatics!
And each at about 60,000 miles.

Dropping the oil pan or removing a valve cover and checking for valve movement displayed the problem.

May I add that this never happened with OEM cast or the billet cam gears I have ran and installed.

Just an option to check after a sudden shut down.

Corventure Dave

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: April 01, 2020 07:41PM

Thanks for ALL of the suggestions!
I will start tracking the issue down tomorrow.
It was easier to just drag it home than try to work on it in the parking lot.
I could ask a co-worker to give me a quick 1 mile tow home, but it is another thing altogether, to ask him to sit and wait while I try to diagnose, and repair my car.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry
[corvaircenter.com]

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: Murphy ()
Date: April 01, 2020 07:54PM

Mel, You said the Sheriff goes off duty at 5:00.....do the bad guys quit for the day too???grinning smiley

65 Monza Coupe
61 500 Coupe-W100181
Earliest '61 Alive?


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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: April 01, 2020 09:21PM

If the cam gear broke it will crank much faster than normal because it has no compression. Don't forget that unlike most engines the distributor still turns with a broken cam gear.

I don't know about the criminals but Corona takes a break during the day in some areas. They have curfews to protect you from the hours it is out and about.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 114 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: mikeycee ()
Date: April 01, 2020 09:48PM

Probably corona virus!! Yaaaaaa lets go off the reservation! drinking smiley

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: April 01, 2020 10:13PM

Murphy Wrote:
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> Mel, You said the Sheriff goes off duty at 5:00.....do the bad guys quit for the day too???grinning smiley



We have virtually a ZERO Crime Rate.
Honestly, the Sheriff is here to make sure that our Canadian visitors observe our traffic laws.
With the borders closed right now, guys that tow cars with a rope, on the public streets, are the height of crime around here. grinning smiley

When I first moved here, I compared it to Mayberry.

Then one day I watched an old episode of The Andy Griffith Show.
I quickly realized, . . . . . that Mayberry is a METROPOLIS, compared to here!!! smiling bouncing smiley

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry
[corvaircenter.com]

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: April 01, 2020 10:39PM

Towing a car with a rope is illegal there? It isn't here or at least they don't enforce it.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 114 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: April 02, 2020 04:45PM

Well...whats the verdict?

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: April 02, 2020 05:00PM

The verdict is . . . . . it COLD outside! hot smiley
It SNOWED this morning! In APRIL ! ! ! eye popping smiley
I went outside later, but as soon as I did it started raining.
I came back in and started prowling the Forum. sad smiley
The boat project literally FELL apart, and now this.
Poor weather, No job, Isolation, and my person projects crumbling, I am very rapidly losing motivation. hot smiley

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry
[corvaircenter.com]

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Re: She just DIED. confused smiley
Posted by: lesliecorvair ()
Date: April 02, 2020 05:04PM

Those elec pumps just stop when filter gets plugged up. also take cap off, turn ignition on and turn over by hand to see point spark, if points are closed can also pry open at lever and should see the spark jump, that will tell you is spark is there



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