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EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: jwilsman ()
Date: February 07, 2020 10:14AM

I was wondering if I could swap a 1964 crossmember onto my 1960. The 64 would allow me to add a swaybar.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Jeff

-Jeff
St Louis, MO
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60 700 Sedan,80hp,PG
64 Monza Vert,110hp,4spd
64 Greenbrier 6 door,95hp,4spd
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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: February 07, 2020 10:35AM

Should go.... just something about the number of bolts used 4 vs 6? or is that LM to EM??

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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: February 07, 2020 11:21AM

I thought they all (61-69 anyway) have the same 6 bolt pattern for crossmember to chassis. I've never taken a crossmember out of a 60. There's something different about the steering idler arm on a 60 but that's small potatoes.
I would think a 60 would have provision for swaybar since it's something they were going to put in before they got cheapened up. Could you just swap the lower control arms if there's provision for the upper part of the links?

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 07, 2020 11:23AM

I've never seen a cross member without the dents for the upper sway bar mount bolts but I seem to remember someone recently posting a picture of one that didn't have them. You do have to drill the holes but you can do it without removing it.

Joel
Northlake, TX
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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: jwilsman ()
Date: February 07, 2020 01:02PM

Switching lower control arms is an idea I'll look into.

-Jeff
St Louis, MO
SMCC
60 700 Sedan,80hp,PG
64 Monza Vert,110hp,4spd
64 Greenbrier 6 door,95hp,4spd
66 MGB GT

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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: Caraholic4life ()
Date: February 07, 2020 01:14PM

IF you are considering removing the cross member from the car for any reason, I would suggest that you make an effort to spray the captive nuts with a high quality penetrating spray that is designed to help release the bonds that corrosion and rust have taken hold over time.
IF time and circumstance allow for it, I would suggest spraying them several times over as long a period of time as you are able to.
Replacement captive nuts are available through vendors but removing the original ones could be difficult. Getting them reinstalled and secured back into place may not be fun either.

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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: alphasud ()
Date: February 07, 2020 02:21PM

I guess the other plus to doing the front suspension swap is easy camber adjustments.

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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: The Stig ()
Date: February 07, 2020 03:27PM

Yup - I have a late crossmember in my '60.

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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: caroseiii ()
Date: February 07, 2020 04:38PM

Yes, that using the 64 is best because some 60 crossmembers don't have the holes drilled for the swaybar supports. This is a time consuming chore. Check yours for the holes in the corner of the apex. Ideally, that area on your 60 would be stamped for the provision of the swaybar holes. 61 and later without the Heavy Duty Suspension did not have the stamping until 64.

Crawford

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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: February 07, 2020 08:13PM

Crawford wrote: "61 and later without the Heavy Duty Suspension did not have the stamping until 64."

Craig replies: That supports my recollection of non-sway bar cross members. I installed a '64 CM into a '62 specifically because the '62 had no provision for a sway bar (stamping or hole).

Here's the image I sent to the owner of the '62 showing him why I needed to change the CM. (photo of '64 CM)

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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: February 08, 2020 06:22AM

Someone mentioned the camber adjustment. I'm thinking the eccentric pivots didn't come until 65.

Going O/T, does a 65 have wider track than 64 simply because of provision for wider brake shoes?

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: caroseiii ()
Date: February 08, 2020 04:30PM

Yes, Jim. The brake drums are 1/4" wider than 60-64. That increases the track of the entire front suspension. This is why the late factory fast steering arms don't work on an early without spacers or using late spindles and brakes.

Crawford Rose

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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 08, 2020 06:08PM

One car I specifically remember having the indention but not the holes is my 63 convertible. I drilled the holes and welded brackets to the control arms.

Joel
Northlake, TX
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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: PGVair ()
Date: February 09, 2020 05:30PM

I have two '62's here and both have the indentions, but the hole is not drilled. I also have a '61 which does not have the indentions.

Wade

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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: February 09, 2020 05:36PM

My 61 Lakewood did not have the indentations or the holes. It has both now.

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Re: EM front crossmember swap possible?
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: February 11, 2020 04:00AM

I'm curious if the '60 has the indentations.
I'm wondering how close to production was the decision to leave the swaybar off to save money.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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