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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: February 11, 2020 05:46AM

The entire "Green Energy" thing is more of a "feel good Lie" for a certain group of people than actually being Good for the environment. Wind turbines have proven to be inefficient and bad for the environment in both manufacturing cost/materials that never get offset by the amount of electricity they produce during their life span and the environmental disaster they pose to both wildlife and the environment while in operation and the massive problem of disposal once they are out of service. The blades cannot be recycled and are piling up in land fills around the country/world. they leak oil and catch fire and kill 1000's of bird of pray every year, "Green" they are not! [www.bloomberg.com]

Solar is in the same boat: [sciencing.com]

I am all for Renewable energy, but the current 2 methods are anything but environmentally friendly, but people make money off it and just saying "Green" makes people feel warm and fuzzy inside!eye rolling smiley







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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: Dave Decker ()
Date: February 11, 2020 07:18AM

Usually a good tail wind as well ;-)

Dave, Kamloops, B.C. '65 Crown V8, 2017 Mazda CX3

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: February 11, 2020 07:49AM

davemotohead Wrote:
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> group of people than actually being Good for the environment. Wind turbines have proven to be inefficient and bad for the environment in both manufacturing cost/materials that never get offset by the amount of electricity they produce during their life span and the environmental disaster they pose to both wildlife and the environment while in operation and the massive problem of disposal once they are out of service.
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I get where you are coming from, but it is mostly false that wind turbines don't make back the energy it cost to make them.

[www.snopes.com]

the fact that there's environmental issues with wind, or solar or nuclear or hydro power doesn't make them worse than coal, oil, natural gas, or that we shouldn't even bother with renewables. All are far cleaner than what existed before, which was burning wood!!!

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: JerryM ()
Date: February 11, 2020 08:53AM

Any wood gas powered Corvairs out there?

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: February 11, 2020 09:20AM

No, but steam locomotives were before coal, then oil.

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: February 11, 2020 09:44AM

All of this talk about how embarrassing it is to see an electric car being recharged by a gas or diesel generator reminds me of the time my great, great grandfather was the butt of many jokes after his new horseless carriage ran out of fuel. He had to have it pulled to a fuel station by a horse of all things. He never lived that one down.

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: momach ()
Date: February 11, 2020 10:45AM

[www.engineering.com]

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: February 11, 2020 11:51AM

Filler up! Hope you're wearing your rubber boots! grinning smiley



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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 11, 2020 12:51PM

63turbo Wrote:
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> [www.snopes.com]
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Did you read the article? Very misleading. The title is
"Do Windmills Consume More Energy to Build Than They Ever Produce?" This has nothing to do with anything mentioned above and totally ignores maintenance and repairs let alone materials cost to build. It does switch to build cost later with no distinction between the two. I laugh at the small wind farm in Denton that I drive by often. It is rare that they are all running and fairly often they are all down. If they made any sense to build why do they need massive government subsidies? Why are they abandoned when the subsidies run out?

Joel
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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: February 11, 2020 01:04PM

azdave Wrote:
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> All of this talk about how embarrassing it is to see an electric car being recharged by a gas or diesel generator reminds me of the time my great, great grandfather was the butt of many jokes after his new horseless carriage ran out of fuel. He had to have it pulled to a fuel station by a horse of all things. He never lived that one down.
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> grinning smiley grinning smiley grinning smiley grinning smiley grinning smiley grinning smiley grinning smiley grinning smiley



Or my Dad saying we had a 1 horsepower engine on the farm, but it took a team of horses to move it.

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: February 11, 2020 01:35PM

I have a local friend who spent $100k.... with a hefty tax credit! grinning smiley DC to charge batteries [ NiCads ].

When I asked why I seldom see the Blades turning....."Batteries are charged!..Winds blow strongest at night here.."

On the large AC units we see... A community could be served by them... then only take electricity from the "Grid" when needed [ load sharing ] so easy!!

BUT the regs say they can only generate when NEEDED by the grid! Because they turn "on and off" with the flick of a switch!

Fossle / Hydro plants take hours / day to shut down / ramp up! Many utility companies USED TO HAVE their own "Peaking stations" because of this!

Today America has TOO MUCH Electricity generating capacity..!!

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 11, 2020 01:37PM

MattNall Wrote:
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> Today America has TOO MUCH Electricity generating capacity..!!
Not where it is needed. Ask some of the people in CA about last summer.

Joel
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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: racingguy2 ()
Date: February 11, 2020 01:45PM

Wind turbines have a very low, long, Return On Investment. And not long after ROI, they are at the end of their service life.
I'm a 50% owner in a company that makes turbine blades...

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 11, 2020 01:46PM

That's the place to be. Selling them not buying them.

Joel
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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: February 11, 2020 01:51PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> Not where it is needed. Ask some of the people in CA about last summer.
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That was because the Utility CUT OFF power during high winds after being SUED by the year priors' victims!

Just like in 2000 One day we had plenty..... next day new REGS became effective.... Massive Shortages!! Because we were within 90% of so called "Capacity" AND No one could export power thru the next county!

Where I worked we generated 6 MEGAWATTS...and YEP we were not counted !!

Yet in 1996... Western states mass outage....SDGE called to ask us to generate even on the weekend! GOP Nat. Convention was in town! Made lots of overtime!! LOL! Company put me up at the nearest motel for 6 months as I had to take off 8 hours every 24.

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 11, 2020 01:57PM

I know the reasons but if the power was where it was needed they wouldn't have had all those transmission lines through the forest to start fires. That's why I said "not where it is needed". Another problem with the wind farms. A lot of them are too far away from where the power is needed.

Joel
Northlake, TX
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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: john.jackson ()
Date: February 11, 2020 02:57PM

Joel,

Texas has lots of wind farms, Wyoming also plans lots of wind farms to sell power to the California market. Wind farms need to be built where the wind is.

Coal fired power plants are dying of because of pure economics. Natural gas is cheaper and cleaner than coal. My Grandfather, Father and Uncles were all coal miners at some point in their lives. Coal mines killed my Grandfather 3 weeks after he retired after 50 years working. My dad and uncle both got out of the mines after close to 20 years and doctors advice.

Not saying lithium miners have it better or worse. As Kevin Nash seemed to say, things are a little different based on our perspective.

Me, I have been pleased with my Volt for the last 18 months. Coming from a VW TDI diesel, I do appreciate torque off the line. Despite the EPA range rating of 53 electric miles, I regularly get well over 60, in a few cases 70+ in around town driving.

Just saying what works for me. Nothing more.

My original 69 Corvair got 17.7 or so MPG every day when I drove to work. When I replaced the first set of bias ply tires with Radial tire my MPG went to 19.5 or so on exactly the same trips.

Today, my 2018 Volt gets between 40 and 50 mpg, just running on gas. Very close to the best I was able to get from my 96 Passat TDI. Normal 44-45, bust my ass MPG trip = 55+ mpg. But I could not stomach driving 55 mph in Texas.

Life is full of big and small compromises.

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: February 11, 2020 03:11PM

MattNall Wrote:
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Company put me up at the nearest motel for 6 months as I had to take off 8 hours every 24.


Nothing but the best for Mattspinning smiley sticking its tongue out

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: February 11, 2020 05:40PM

It was an older Best Western....

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