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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: February 09, 2020 08:49AM

Sound deadening material in tires...I learned something.

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: john.jackson ()
Date: February 09, 2020 09:10AM

Phil Dally Wrote:
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> Sound deadening material in tires...I learned something.


Yes, me too. I drive a Chevy Volt. Most of the time in electrical range. Tire noise is the most noticed thing as I go around town. When it comes time to get new tires, I will have to take a good look for them.

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: February 09, 2020 09:44AM

Tesla got busted at their storage yard for charging inventory cars with diesel generators, what I find ironic is they are parked right next to overhead high power lines! Tesla should have made the cars collect electricity from power lines wireless like the new I-phones! Also they have diesel generator powered charging stations and mobile tow behind your clean electric car Gas generators, The entire Clean Narrative of electric cars is more fossil fuel hot exhaust!spinning smiley sticking its tongue out







1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: Dave Decker ()
Date: February 09, 2020 11:11AM

It would be interesting to see the cost comparison between diesel generation and what the utility company charges for electricity. One would think that the cost of a transformer and power distribution kiosk amortized over time would be cheaper-better than generator rental, fuel costs etc. While the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity to power electric cars is stupid on several levels, may be a stop gap til more charging stations come on line. I picture the board meeting at Petrocan when they decided to launch the coast to coast fast charge highway. "If we can't sell them gas, we'll sell them electricity" They are building them at their existing gas stations so will have a 'captive audience' for the length of the charge time. A $5 coffee, a $4 muffin, a newspaper, or maybe a lunch at the restaurant. As more chargers come on line, there will be choices for EV car owners. Then the competition and brand loyalty will kick in. Maybe they can advertise; 'Our electricity is 20% cleaner than brand X' ;-)

Dave, Kamloops, B.C. '65 Crown V8, 2017 Mazda CX3

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: February 09, 2020 12:36PM

I like this guy's "Man Script" video.

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Eric C. Player, Porterville, CA, USA (Seriously! It's the USA out here!)
MEMBER: CORSA National, Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, Vintage CORSA, Sfba CORSA, and the San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club.
THEN:
1965 Monza 110, Canary Yellow
1965 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red
1966 Monza 110, Purple
1967 Monza 140, Red
1966 500 110, Black; nicknamed "Shadow"
1965 Monza 110, Camaro Yellow; nicknamed "Silver"
NOW:
1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Blue; nicknamed "Bluvair"

"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .'
and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, character of Daniel B. Davis, 'The Door Into Summer.'

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 09, 2020 04:16PM

Did anyone notice the wheel cutaway has a different inner and outer diameter?
I would like some quiet 14 15" tires please.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 113 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: February 09, 2020 06:58PM

Which is inner and outer of the two different sizes?

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 09, 2020 08:32PM

15" on the outside is better.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 113 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: February 09, 2020 09:52PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> Did anyone notice the wheel cutaway has a different inner and outer diameter?
> I would like some quiet 14 15" tires please.


Special tires!
That is why they are $340.oo each. grinning smiley

Phil. in the computer drawing, the larger size is on the outside.

Joel, why do you feel that having the bigger size outside is better?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, '62 Monza Wagon, '63 Spyder, '65 Corsa
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non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dualy, approaching 400K
17'Terry

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: February 09, 2020 10:28PM

Tires for the Models S Tesla at Tire Rack start at $145 - I am sure you can pay a lot more for other kinds. The Tesla "Supercharger" stations are powered off the local grid, often supported by on-site solar. Their electricity is at least as green as the local utility. Pretty clean in much of California. Not as clean in many other states. Most of the electric car owners I know, have solar power at home to help charge. If I had a defined commute each day, and, maybe, access to a charger at work to supplement my solar, I would think about it. It isn't for everybody, and doesn't pretend to be.

Seth Emerson

Check my new Performance Corvair Web site [www.perfvair.com]

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: TGriffin ()
Date: February 10, 2020 06:06AM

Tesla gets a lot of heat because there are many airheads out there saying that everybody needs to have one, or we will force it on you if you don't... That kind of attitude will automatically create resistance regardless of real world performance. I view Tesla's and EV's like I do my cordless drill.

My first memories of cordless drills from the late 90's were they were mostly useless except for screwing in few outlet covers; and you might as well just use a regular screwdriver.

In the early 2000's I had a Craftsman cordless that hung in there for a few years and was more useful. I would still have to keep it charged, but it was much better. I finally killed it using it with my cylinder hone stones, and too much running between charges killed the battery. Now it doesn't hold a charge.

My current drill is even better and holds up longer. I can have it sit out for weeks between charges and it will still work. If I need to use it heavily though, I make sure to charge it. I can still kill it if I am drilling something heavy like multiple holes in concrete, etc.

So... electric cars are like this above antecdote of mine. They will get better over time, but if you want to use them for something heavy, you may need to consider other options.

Also, in the case of all modern cars (not just Tesla). How do we recycle increasing use of plastics and carbon fiber? At least steel vehicles can be recycled, but these modern plastic cars (much of the plastic is not the recyclable type) I fear we will get large junk piles of these parts, kind of like they have the fields of the old Trabant cars sitting around and won't go away.

1964 Monza 'vert
Mount Joy, PA



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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: February 10, 2020 06:20AM

Had to look up Trabant cars.

[en.wikipedia.org]

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: February 10, 2020 06:50AM

This is a real world test of the electric cars currently on the market, they give them a full charge and drive them till they die, none of them have the range they are advertised to have, most of them are in the 75%-85% bracket of the claimed range, surprisingly the KIA did the best @90% of its claimed range, the Tesla went the furthest, but only 78% of its advertised range. One thing I found weird was all of the cars motors would lock and could not be pushed once the batteries were dead unless there was a driver in the seat, one guy was 30 ft away from a charging station but could not get out and push the car to hook it up, also none of the cars could be towed with out damaging the motors, the Tesla was the only car with a tow mode.

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1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: Dave Decker ()
Date: February 10, 2020 06:59AM

I talked to a guy who could drive to Vancouver on a single charge....in the spring and fall. As soon as he needed his heater or AC, the range would fall off dramatically

Dave, Kamloops, B.C. '65 Crown V8, 2017 Mazda CX3

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: February 10, 2020 01:39PM

Dave Decker Wrote:
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> I talked to a guy who could drive to Vancouver on a single charge....in the spring and fall. As soon as he needed his heater or AC, the range would fall off dramatically


But of course.
It down hill ALL the way! grinning smiley

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, '62 Monza Wagon, '63 Spyder, '65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dualy, approaching 400K
17'Terry

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 10, 2020 06:27PM

American Mel Wrote:
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> Joel, why do you feel that having the bigger size outside is better?

Since the main cornering load on a tire is the outside edge I figured shorter sidewalls on the outside would be better. (traction, flex and response not actual load capacity) That's the way it is in the picture.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 113 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: February 10, 2020 06:36PM

Dirt trackers have the big tire on the outside or at least they used to.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa


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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 10, 2020 06:48PM

That's to make them go in a circle. Larger diameter but nothing inherently to do with the aspect ratio.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 113 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: dolomitefan ()
Date: February 11, 2020 02:24AM

Lithium is not the issue, it's cobalt. Essential for use in the batteries a lot of it comes from the Congo and is mined by children. Now granted Panasonic (Teslas battery people) have significantly reduced the amount required per vehicle but it still needs it.

I've driven a few Tesla's and I like the performance but I don't think they are especially well made for how much they cost.

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Mark Gibson, Staffordshire, England

1961 Corvair Greenbrier
1980 Triumph Dolomite Sprint
2009 Mazda MX5
2018 Infiniti Q30

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Re: OT, Testimony from a Tesla owner spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Posted by: 4carbcorvair ()
Date: February 11, 2020 05:01AM

There is a lot more environmental harm with electric cars than some people believe, or know. From production, to charging, to the recycling at the end of it's life.

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Ronnie
Southern Maine.
www.dirigocorvairs.net
66 Corsa Convertible, 140, 4sp.
65 Monza Convertible, 110, PG.




It doesn't leak, it's marking it's territory.

A mirror is a reflection of the miles travelled.

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