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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: Richard ()
Date: July 14, 2020 08:42AM

It would have been far smarter to locate and mount a sleeper before you had the bed built. Ass backwards isn't a plan.

Look near the bottom on pdf page 101.

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 14, 2020 09:41AM

Richard Wrote:
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> It would have been far smarter to locate and mount a sleeper before you had the bed built. Ass backwards isn't a plan.
>
> Look near the bottom on pdf page 101.
>
> YF2 Ambulance Package
> Express Commercial Cutaway Van
>
> [www.gmheritagecenter.com]

Richard,

Thanks for the info.
Where you ever in the arm forces? (I was - US Army)
You make me laugh, having all the answers, when you don't know the full story.
One plans until the boots hit the ground. Then plans change and you must change with them..

Hard to do much of anything now-a-days; with COVID restrictions.
US and Canadian Customs both have the border closed to individuals and extended the restriction twice, now it's until July 31.
SO it makes it kind of hard to go get used parts, i.e. a sleeper box, in the USA, when one is NOT allowed in until the restriction has been lifted. GRIN

My old truck is on it's last legs and I need to start using this one.

However, with no weight in the back and the HD springs fully extended, it bounces all over the place when it goes over any kind of bump.
Plus I can not carry anything with just a frame.

So one has to improvise at times!! Grin

Plan B, C, D and so forth LOL



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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: July 14, 2020 11:37AM

G3500 weight at 5300# is a bit of a surprise. My old K2500HD Regular cab gas (4x4) was 6200# empty and my '04 K2500HD Crew (diesel 4x4) is #7200.

I wouldn't expect your diesel 3/4 (5300#) to be that much less than my reg.cab gas 3/4 (6200#)

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 14, 2020 12:03PM

cnicol Wrote:
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> G3500 weight at 5300# is a bit of a surprise. My old K2500HD Regular cab gas (4x4) was 6200# empty and my '04 K2500HD Crew (diesel 4x4) is #7200.
>
> I wouldn't expect your diesel 3/4 (5300#) to be that much less than my reg.cab gas 3/4 (6200#)


Craig,

All I can tell you, is that I was the one who weighed it and saw the truck scale reading.
I also got a print out for the registration department here.

Then I waited not to be in the way of the trucks using the scale and I weighed the front and the rear separately.
When I got home I added those numbers together and came up with the 2,400 kg.

Plus wouldn't a truck cab, fenders and hood have a lot more metal than a van cab, fenders and much smaller hood?

I'll be weighing it again once the flatbed is done.

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 17, 2020 04:06PM

Update:

Flatbed has been made and installed. It rides a nice, a lot better!
NOTE: It only lowered the frame 5/8 of an inch at the rear bumper.
Kevin and I are guessing that the flatbed might weigh 1,000 lbs.
There is enough room for a 63" sleeper box.
But I might have to slide the flatbed back a few inches to get the sleeper box in place and install it back where it was once the sleeper box has been installed.
I should however, be able to install a 60" sleeper box without messing with the flatbed.


Seeing is believing. ggg



It's these rear stake-pockets that will determine if I need to move the flatbed to install the sleeper box and then put it back in place.
But I wanted to be able to load 8' sheets of plywood inside the stake-pockets, from front to back.




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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 18, 2020 09:19AM

Any guesses on how much the flatbed will be?

Remember the truck weighed 2,400 kg or 5,291 lbs with nothing on the back.

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 21, 2020 11:30AM

Weighed the truck today with the flatbed.

The front readings were:
Before the flatbed was added: 1460kg or 3218.75lbs
After the flatbed was added: 1430kg or 3152.61lbs it went down 30kg or 66.14lbs.

The rear readings were:
Before the flatbed was added: 940kg or 2072.35lbs
After the flatbed was added: 1450kg or 3196.70lbs it went up 510kg or 1124.36lbs.

The new flatbed weighed a mere 480kg or 1058.22lbs = Not bad!

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 27, 2020 06:13PM

Found a sleeper box today. It's a compromise.

It does not have everything I want. But it will work.

It has the right size opening.
It comes with a heater and AC unit... Big PLUS
(Since the G3500 already has extra AC lines for the old Ambulance box it will work nicely with the AC bunk unit.)

The seller is also going to toss in one of his extra Espar diesel bunk heaters.
(I just learned about them today. They will operate without the truck engine having to run and they use very little diesel fuel)

I'll need to gut and cleaned the box out before repairing a small dent on the back.
It will need to be painted as it is red faded old paint and I want it white to match my truck.

It will need a new mattress - But I would get a new mattress for any sleeper box I got. Grin

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 29, 2020 11:49AM

Another step closer to having my toy hauler / G3500 Project completed.

I paid for the sleeper box today and took the following pictures.
(The seller is kind enough to deliver it sometime by the middle of August. When he returns from his vacation.)

Here is what I got.

Front


Driver Side


Passenger Side


Back


Temperature Control Panel for Bunk AC and Heat


AC and Heater Unit

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 02, 2020 07:41PM

Monday is a holiday here.
So I hope to be able to remove the flatbed on Tuesday.
Kevin needs to clean the welds, make the back rack (whatever it's called) that protects the cab should one have to stop quickly and the load shifts forward.

If that happens, I will need to find a way to lift the sleeper box off the trailer and onto the truck to figure out some kind of mounting brackets, to secure the box onto the frame.

Then I'll have Kevin make the brackets and test fit the box...

If I'm not able to remove the flatbed, I can still remove the rivets that I need to on the sleeper box.

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: August 02, 2020 08:07PM

OttawaCorvairGuy Wrote:
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> Monday is a holiday here.
> So I hope to be able to remove the flatbed on Tuesday.
> Kevin needs to clean the welds, make the back rack (whatever it's called) that protects the cab should one have to stop quickly and the load shifts forward.
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


It is called a "Headache Rack".
I think the name is fairly self-explanatory.
.
Holiday on Monday, eh?
Seems like you guys have one of those "Long Weekends" about every two weeks up there.
Which one is this?
Wash Your Dog Day?

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 03, 2020 04:54AM

American Mel Wrote:
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> OttawaCorvairGuy Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Monday is a holiday here.
> > So I hope to be able to remove the flatbed on Tuesday.
> > Kevin needs to clean the welds, make the back rack (whatever it's called) that protects the cab should one have to stop quickly and the load shifts forward.
> >
> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>
>
> It is called a "Headache Rack".
> I think the name is fairly self-explanatory.
> .
> Holiday on Monday, eh?
> Seems like you guys have one of those "Long Weekends" about every two weeks up there.
> Which one is this?
> Wash Your Dog Day?


Not sure which one it is.
But I do give the MRS a hard time about all their holidays vs our in the USA

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 05, 2020 05:42AM

Here in Ontario - one is not allowed to cut holes, for mounting, in the top of a frame rail.

So I'll have to mount everything to the box and let the L-shape bracket hand loose until I've bolts the brackets to the frame.

Then my hope is to be able to slide a wrench onto the head of the bolt while tightening up the nut hidden in the sleeper box.

The style of isolator or rubber cushion and how it mounts has got me puzzled, as to what would be best...


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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: idiyaught ()
Date: August 05, 2020 05:52AM

Why not weld the bolt to the bracket?

John Oostdyk
Thornhill, Ont
63 Rampy
65 Greenbrier
64 Convertible

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 06, 2020 03:58AM

idiyaught Wrote:
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> Why not weld the bolt to the bracket?


I might do that. It all depends on how thing turn out.

One concern I would have is if it would change the hardness of the bolts.

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: August 06, 2020 08:44AM

That design won't isolate the box. You need rubber on both sides of the connection to prevent a direct path from the frame to the box.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 114 Corvairs and counting...

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 06, 2020 09:02AM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> That design won't isolate the box. You need rubber on both sides of the connection to prevent a direct path from the frame to the box.


I understand and sadly there is no room for that style of rubber mount...

I if raise the box to allow for that the floors will not line up and the opening will be above the seal area and the roof line.

That is why I started the thread about rubber mounts and what would be best to use in this situation.



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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: idiyaught ()
Date: August 06, 2020 09:42AM

Would it work putting the other half rubber in the bunk so the bunk bottom it pinched between the rubber?

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Thornhill, Ont
63 Rampy
65 Greenbrier
64 Convertible

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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: August 06, 2020 10:31AM

I could try it.

However, the space is tight, because of the red mounting bracket shown in the picture.
The opening of the mounting bracket on the box and how it is angled will reduce the diameter and height of the rubber mount that I can get in there - if any.



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Re: OT - G3500 Project - OT
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: August 06, 2020 01:34PM

You can't make the rubber half as thick and space the mount away from the frame that amount?

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, 114 Corvairs and counting...

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