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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: 2ragtops ()
Date: November 04, 2019 04:41AM

OH the times they are a changing'

Bob Bauer

Show-Me Corvairs

1966 Monza Convert 140 P/G with A/C, plastic wheel with tele-column am-fm posi-traction
1966 Corsa Convert 180 wood wheel tele-column am-fm sport steering posi-traction
1965 Corsa Coupe Crown V8 temporarily red lined for repair
House Springs, Missouri

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: November 04, 2019 06:42AM

Most useless accessory, if you'd figure in the design, tooling, and manufacturing costs, vs.practical usage and number of units ordered, has to be the speed warning indicator option that was available on ALL GM cars across the board starting in 1967 and (as far as Corvair goes)extended at least through '69.

Followed closely on that option's heels by the tissue dispenser, bumper guards, and vent windows. They could get rid of 'em all!

As far as the vent windows go, my car has a/c and great kick panel vents. I've had Corvairs since before they stopped building them, and you could count the number of times I've had them open (on ALL the cars I've ever had) on the fingers of one hand. They're noisy, leak water when open in the rain, don't even do as much as the kick vents do, and are a vision block on top of all that. Yea, yea, I know it's heresy, but that's how I see them. So sue me.

-Mark

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: November 04, 2019 07:11AM

Opposing opinion:

I used the vent windows all the time when I was driving Corvairs without Air Conditioning. They are part of the 6-60 ventilation system so popular back in the 60s.grinning smiley

I know smokers used the vent windows all the time also, like my Dad until he quit, even in the winter.

Heck, even the BIG GM cars (and Studebaker Land Cruisers) had vent windows in the rear doors too!winking smiley

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: November 04, 2019 07:23AM

Pssst...don't tell anyone, but vent windows were not (extra cost) accessories, they were standard on all cars. But who's counting GGG.

Now, back to our regularly-scheduled program.

Speed indicators seem useless, but they are integral to the "nanny" features on so many NEW cars today. My Dad's Touareg was set to go off at 30 mph. So guess what happened after EVERY stop?

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: November 04, 2019 07:36AM

Speed warning had to go back further than that. My parents had 59 Electra 225, with a 401 that had it. Lots of FINS as well. When we went of long trips where we all drove, 3 buzzes and your turn at the wheels was up.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa


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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: Spyderman64 ()
Date: November 04, 2019 07:40AM

Not really an accessory on most Corvairs, but I have to laugh when I think about the glove compartment locks. Want to get inside? Reach under the dash and tear out the entire crappy cardboard glovebox. Takes about 5 seconds.

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: November 04, 2019 07:45AM

I mentioned vent windows only because I wish they had been optional. But at least if you have a LM 2 door with clear glass, you can now purchase a kit to get rid of them. I helped get that into production, hoping it would possibly be adoptable to a 4 door, but no such luck. Besides, all the Corvairs I know or (most of 'em) have had all have tinted glass.

-Mark

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: November 04, 2019 08:01AM

flat_six Wrote:
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What are the odds that one of the little guards would catch an impact that the car or bumper might otherwise have taken?

These days they are mostly decorative but way back when, those bumper guards were called "over-riders" and they were actually quite useful. They would help prevent accidentally locking a bumper with the car ahead or behind during slow speed bumper taps such as when parallel parking in the big city.

Geez, am I so old that I know stuff like that? When I was young, I recall seeing people jumping up and down on the front of their car trying to get the front of the vehicle low enough to disconnect it from the rear bumper of the car ahead.

Dave W. / Gilbert Arizona
65 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4 w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 455 Toro V8
65 Monza Convertible 110/4
66 Monza Convertible 140/4 A/C
65 Monza 4DR 140/PG w/factory A/C
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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: November 04, 2019 08:37AM

azdave Wrote:

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> These days they are mostly decorative but way back when, those bumper guards were called "over-riders" and they were actually quite useful. They would help prevent accidentally locking a bumper with the car ahead or behind during slow speed bumper taps such as when parallel parking in the big city.
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I can't imagine the Corvair guards overriding anything given their small size and location on the car. They are vestigial remnants of something that was once functional back when bumpers protruded out beyond the vehicle. Decorations only.

Actually, if we want to complicate the matter, here is a Porsche interpretation of the whole thing LOL:

Overriders and Guards

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: November 04, 2019 08:44AM

azdave Wrote:
They would help prevent accidentally locking a bumper with the car ahead or behind during slow speed bumper taps such as when parallel parking in the big city.
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AKA known as "sound parking" where I come from, but then lets not forget the audio assistance also provided by curb feelers.


Hey we didn't need no stink'n backup CAM hot smiley

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa


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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: November 04, 2019 09:26AM

Most useless accessory?
Has to be the hand held spot light. It would hardly fit in the glove box. So when it may be needed it's probably in the trunk or sliding around and out from under the seat, if put there. And if your driving a stick shift... well, I guess you could hold the metal thing in your teeth!

A Western Auto flash light would probably be a better price and choice!confused smiley

As far as the ashtray light.... great thing to have during the day. Also the tint changes with the amount of tar it gets coated with!thumbs up

Corventure Dave

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: Spyderman64 ()
Date: November 04, 2019 09:55AM

My ‘63 Buick had the speed warning sensor. It was useless because you couldn’t set it any higher than 90 m.p.h.!

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: November 04, 2019 10:04AM

+1 on the spotlight suggestion. It probably gets pretty hot too, so holding it for any length of time might start to get a bit painful.

I actually have one of those, and its cool to throw it on the seat during car shows, with its Chevy logo in all its glory.

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: Spectre ()
Date: November 04, 2019 10:27AM

Spyderman64 Wrote:
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> Not really an accessory on most Corvairs, but I have to laugh when I think about the glove compartment locks. Want to get inside? Reach under the dash and tear out the entire crappy cardboard glovebox. Takes about 5 seconds.

Not that a thief would care, but all you really need is your license or a credit card to pop the latch on the glove box. No destruction required.

David Clamp


1965 Corsa convertible - 140 4spd/3.55/AM-FM

2013 Mustang GT convertible - 5.0, 6spd auto, Procharger i-1

2003 Miata SE - 6spd manual (wife's toy)

"Victory is mine!" - SG

Norman, OK

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 04, 2019 11:31AM

Spyderman64 Wrote:
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> My ‘63 Buick had the speed warning sensor. It was useless because you couldn’t set it any higher than 90 m.p.h.!


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azdave wrote:
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>Geez, am I so old that I know stuff like that? When I was young, I recall seeing people jumping up and down on the front of their car trying to get the front of the vehicle low enough to >disconnect it from the rear bumper of the car ahead.

Dave, I guess that makes me an old-timer too then, because I also have those same memories.

For Mark,
Vent wimdows, a.k.a. Wind-Wings where I came from, are NOT useless. In FACT, they are one of the most used features in my Corvairs. Why, I actually open them on my Vert, EVEN when the top is DOWN ! ! !

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, '62 Monza Wagon, '63 Spyder, '65 Corsa
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non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dualy, approaching 400K
17'Terry



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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: v8vair ()
Date: November 04, 2019 11:31AM

The rear window defroster on my 68, just blew cold around the back window in the winter and warm air in the summer. Had Two speeds !!! Mike

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: November 04, 2019 11:44AM

The vent windows on EMs are way better than LMs. I use them often.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 04, 2019 11:48AM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> The vent windows on EMs are way better than LMs. I use them often.


Not arguing, just curious here.
Would you care to explain that statement?
In just what way are they "way better" ? ? ?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, '62 Monza Wagon, '63 Spyder, '65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dualy, approaching 400K
17'Terry

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: November 04, 2019 11:52AM

The shape allows them to redirect a lot more air. Drive an EM and LM back to back and you will notice a huge difference.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: The Most Useless Factory Accessory?
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: November 04, 2019 02:25PM

v8vair Wrote:
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> The rear window defroster on my 68, just blew cold around the back window in the winter and warm air in the summer. Had Two speeds !!! Mike


Actually, I think they were technically called defoggers, so perhaps they had some effectiveness at that task?

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