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New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: The Californian ()
Date: November 02, 2019 07:09AM

Matt Nall has a great idea!

Here is how it goes.

Cars use all '60-63 parts.

Tube frames are allowed.

All stock parts. Tuning allowed but no aftermarket performance parts.

My input would be a roll cage.8 point. Two hoops. Two tubes slanted to front and two slanted to back. Plus window net on the driver's side.

Which pretty much means to be competitive you build a tube frame to put your parts

on.

The devil is in the details so of course there are rules to come up with.

If a standardized frame is popular that can be a class.

I am in. How can you go wrong?

So. What does everybody think of this?

THE CALIFORNIAN

THE GOLDEN CHILD

The only difference between success and failure in any job is your attitude toward it.

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MASTER OF SPEED



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Re: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: TGriffin ()
Date: November 02, 2019 07:47AM

As people have mentioned in the past, there needs to be critical mass to make a class such as Formula V, or Miata class racing applied to the Corvair world.

Is this for a track event? Otherwise I would think the roll cage would only be necessary for SCCA full racing events; or to stiffen up a convertible? I know a cage is not necessary for autocross, and only a 4 point "roll bar" is all that is required for PH Hillclimb (though a cage would be recommended). A full cage is usually required for SCCA track type events, and then you also need a racing license I think.

I'm all about doing more competition driving in my 'Vair. At least more autocrosses for now, but I'll just have to be content for being the only Corvair at all events for the time being until some other Central PA 'Vair owner would like to autocross in my area too!

Who's up for some cone thrashing this spring in the Harrisburg area?

1964 Monza 'vert
Mount Joy, PA






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Re: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 02, 2019 07:56AM

In the "Spirit" of "The Californian"


Let's start out by doing it on PAPER first.

Submit your Drawings! Everyone can do that.

Any configuration! Rear Engine / Mid / front!


Basically a Dune Buggy without the body! See pic below

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Re: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: The Californian ()
Date: November 02, 2019 08:33AM

Thanks TGriffin

'Is this for a track event?'

Yes.To run on same track the full bodied Corvairs run on now.

'I would think the roll cage would only be necessary'

It is to make the average Corvair enthusiast fell comfortable building a tube

frame slalom car.Plus driving it.

Thanks Matt

I left off the part about required to use Corvair crossmembers w/suspension.

Also a fuel cell next to driver where the passenger seat would be.

Building one of these is 'non-destructive' to the Corvair you get parts from.

Well okay the crossmembers get welded up but the engine and transaxle can be put back in your Corvair.

THE CALIFORNIAN

THE GOLDEN CHILD

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SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MASTER OF SPEED

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Re: New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: The Californian ()
Date: November 02, 2019 09:15AM

This get points for:

Using rectangular tubing.That is how we do it.Makes everything way easier!

Building a straight square frame.

Only using outside or outboard parts of front suspension.That takes some measuring!

Keeping stock rims and tires.Those usually get the heave ho later with most builds though.

THE CALIFORNIAN

THE GOLDEN CHILD

The only difference between success and failure in any job is your attitude toward it.

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MASTER OF SPEED

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Re: New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 03, 2019 10:35AM

CORSA RULES for "Specialty Class"


8.5 Specialty Class
Specialty Class is for all vehicles that are not otherwise specified, but are
either Corvair-based or Corvair-powered. They must conform to Competition
Class (CC) rules except as follows:
1. The source or sources of motive power may be located anywhere within
the vehicle, i.e. front, mid, rear.
2. There must be an adequate (flameproof ) firewall between the engine
and the cockpit, extending as high as the driver’s shoulders.
3. Any wheelbase is allowed.
4. Unlimited wheel rim width is allowed.
5. All vehicles must have a floor pan under the driver’s feet and legs;
expanded metal is okay. Open vehicles must have part of the body
extending longitudinally around the driver’s compartment at least as
high as the driver’s waist and must surround the driver. Roll bars and/
or roll cages are encouraged.
6. If an open cockpit vehicle is equipped with tires not allowed in
Improved Stock (see Section 8.2, Item 7), then it must have a braced
roll bar installed.
7. If no windshield is installed, shatterproof eye protection must be worn
by the driver.
There shall be two Specialty Classes. They are:
Class SC-1: Corvair-body/chassis vehicles with other than Corvair based
engines (no Corvair engine cases allowed).
Class SC-2: Corvair-powered vehicles – With other than Corvair-body/
chassis. (Use of Corvair engine case required).


Rules for Competition Class CC

1. Corvair bodied, Corvair-based engine with any wheels/tires.
2. Any engine modification is permitted. (heads and cases must be
retained).
3. Engine relocation is permitted.
4. Any chassis modifications are allowed. Stock Corvair car wheelbase
(108? plus or minus ½?) required.
5. Safety rules apply (See section 7).
6. No minimum weight.
7. Fuel cells are allowed but as near as possible to the stock fuel tank location
and eight gallons minimum capacity.
8. Transaxles are unrestricted.
9. Fender flaring is allowed.
10. Roll bars and/or roll cages are encouraged; open cockpit vehicles with
tires not allowed in Improved Stock (see Section 8.2, Item 7) must have
a braced roll bar installed.
11. Safety harnesses, window netting, and fire extinguishers are encouraged.
12. On closed cars front and rear windshields are required. Any window
may be replaced by polycarbonate plastic, minimum thickness ???? or
metric equivalent. All side windows may be removed.
13. Lowering is unlimited.

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Re: New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: November 03, 2019 12:42PM

OK I built mine!







1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 03, 2019 01:03PM

Wheels disqualify it!! LOL!


Seriously... draw something up you think would work best... ALL and only '61-3 CAR parts

You can Modify any part... use any of the metal to fab anything... but NO aftermarket or parts from something else..

I think it's actually a good challenge for everyone over the winter!

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Re: New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: November 04, 2019 06:00AM

The First buggy frame shown above is a Conn-Ferr. The second is a Warshawski / JC Whitney.

Turchan made a 'competition' buggy frame for late model components. Of course, all pictured so far were made for a fiberglass buggy body.

Eric P.
DeWitt, IA

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Re: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: November 04, 2019 08:44AM

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> Also a fuel cell next to driver where the passenger seat would be.
>


This seems like the worst possible idea yet.
'

Most (any, all?) sanctioning bodies will not allow the fuel tank in the passenger compartment, and require sealed (or relatively sealed) firewalls...

Eric P
DeWitt, IA

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Re: New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: November 04, 2019 09:34AM

MattNall Wrote:
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> Seriously... draw something up you think would work best... ALL and only '61-3 CAR parts
>
> You can Modify any part... use any of the metal to fab anything... but NO aftermarket or parts from something else..
>
> I think it's actually a good challenge for everyone over the winter!
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OK, I accept your challenge and here are my first 3 designs, the first picture was inspired from me dreaming about my 63 dream racer and I drew up Rainbows and Unicorns while in my dream state.
The next picture was me taking this concept to a entirely new level! Why stop at a track car when can have a jet powered Ultravan??
And the 3rd and final rough draft is how I picture myself driving my new racer, Notice the drool coming out my mouth!

I would say my artistic conceptional drawings are not bad for my first attempt! drinking smiley







1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: November 04, 2019 02:12PM

Is that Robbie in the passenger side and his twin in the back seat?

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 04, 2019 02:31PM

davemotohead Wrote:
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> OK, I accept your challenge and here are my first 3 designs

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Keep practicing Dave... you'll get "it" eventually! GGG

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Re: New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: November 04, 2019 02:34PM

"Keep practicing Dave... you'll get "it" eventually!"
What did he miss?
I call foul on that last picture. I don't think Dave actually did that one.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: New: Slalom Series using '61-3 parts ONLY!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 04, 2019 02:36PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> I call foul on that last picture. I don't think Dave actually did that one.

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Sharp eye!

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