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New Owner Question
Posted by: mtmouse ()
Date: October 24, 2019 08:01PM

Hello everyone. I just purchased a corvair with the intent of making a driver, not show car. Other than the factory manuals and parts list on CD which I have already ordered what other information is going to be helpful here?
Thanks in Advance as experience with other mechanical based forums (boats, antique motorcycles, etc) has always been both helpful and enjoyable.
Joe

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 24, 2019 08:12PM

That depends on how much of the work you intend to do yourself. Bob Helt's carburetor books are excellent. I think Seth Emerson sells them.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: mtmouse ()
Date: October 24, 2019 08:13PM

Sorry, bye the way it is a 1965 Corsa 2 dr coupe 4sp 180 turbo. Minor surface rust but otherwise in good shape and complete.

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: October 24, 2019 08:14PM

Welcome!

An actual paper Clark's catalog is handy.

Location in your post (signature line) is good also, as responses to questions can vary with location, like, "what octane do you run in a 95 HP?". Elevation needed for correct answer.thumbs up

Also add the year and model to your signature line, as again, answers vary depending on year and model. I know, no cars in my signature line as I work on many different ones.smileys with beer

Lots of good information is to be found here, from very knowledgeable people!

Bob Helt's books also very good, especially the carburetor ones.

Ask away!

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: mtmouse ()
Date: October 24, 2019 08:24PM

Thanks for the replies. I plan on doing most of the work. I am a fair wrench and NOT new to restorations. If I can make an old Triumph TR4a run a Corvair doesn't scare me. I do plan to send the turbo out for rebuild but should be able to handle the balance inhouse.
In case the sign line doesn't work I am in South Ga and have a 65 2dr coupe 4sp 180hp.

Joe in South Ga
1965 Corsa 2 dr Coupe Turbo 4sp because I love the looks
18ft Chaparral 180 Sport because I live on a lake, seemed like the thing to do
Chevy Pickup to tow boat and tote things
Chevy Cavalier because they drive like a go-cart

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 24, 2019 09:02PM

Welcome to the CCF! You are in a good area... lots of parts / knowledge nearby...


So you know all about Twin carbs!! and you buy a car with an oversized turbo and a tweeky carb... GG

I recommend Steve C Goodman here! works by mail often Both Carb and Turbo... over 50 years of experience and still in business [www.rearenginespecialists.com]



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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: October 25, 2019 04:19AM

The '61 Service Manual is a big one that was good through '64 with supplements. There's a 62-63 supplement with a turbo section.
The '65 Service Manual is another big one with supplements for 66-69.

For your '65 I think you should be good with the '65 Service Manual. I can't remember if it has an extensive turbo section but I think so.

The Bob Helt book for Corvair turbo Carter YH is good. Seth Emerson (sethracer) has them for sale. It goes into the carburetor far and above better than the Service Manual especially to help determine if you have a correct match of parts. A lot of things can happen in 50 years and people incorrectly swap in parts thinking "they are all the same".

I really like having the Clarks Corvair Parts catalog for reference. The online thing is okay when ordering parts but I'm a book guy in the garage.

I love TR4As. In my view they really got it right with the styling. I had a TR6 for a short time and was surprised to learn the center section was the same.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: New Owner Question
Date: October 25, 2019 04:35AM

Welcome!
Yes, you should really have no issues - Corvairs are really fairly simple mechanical marvels, just different in layout and therefore much more interesting.

May as well get used to posting photos and show us your Corsa Turbo Coupe!
Is your built in Willow Run, MI or in Van Nuys (Los Angeles) California?
There is a rectangular plate attached to the rear frame inside the engine bay that has codes describing the way your Corvair was built.
We can give you a hand in learning how to decode that info, if interested.

Corvair - the world's First Production Turbo-Charged automobile!


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: October 25, 2019 04:41AM

I am a little closer to you for the turbo build. I also do not just take it apart and clean it, when you get it back from me it is better than just stock.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: Spectre ()
Date: October 25, 2019 04:45AM

Welcome! There's a great couple of clubs in Georgia. Heart of Georgia, which meets monthly in Warner Robins, and Corvair Atlanta, which meets monthly in Atlanta. They, along with Queen City from Charlotte and Vulcan Corvair Enthusiasts in Birmingham, Al, put on Springfest in Helen, GA every April.

David Clamp


1965 Corsa convertible - 140 4spd/3.55/AM-FM

2013 Mustang GT convertible - 5.0, 6spd auto, Procharger i-1

2003 Miata SE - 6spd manual (wife's toy)

"Victory is mine!" - SG

Norman, OK

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: October 25, 2019 04:53AM

Welcome Joe ( mtmouse )!

A turbo is a little finicky to get tuned right, but once they are, they're a great car to take down a winding country road. They run like a 95 until you get the turbo spooling up. Just watch the vacuum/boost gauge as it transitions. It's like bolting another engine on back, but without any added weight. And the power keeps coming on and on and on....

Since you are at least a fair mechanic, the GM '65 repair manual and the '66 supplement and a paper Clark's catalog are "must have" items. There are a number of other books available, such as "how to hotrod a Corvair" by Bill Fisher with the latest revision by Seth Emerson, and a number of others by Bob Helt, the SDCC, and others, all good reference material. Clark's sells most all of them.

And don't let some of the trolls on this forum intimidate you. Just ask away and let the thread run its course.

-Mark

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: mtmouse ()
Date: October 25, 2019 05:10AM

MattNall Wrote:
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> Welcome to the CCF! You are in a good area... lots of parts / knowledge nearby...
>
>
> So you know all about Twin carbs!! and you buy a car with an oversized turbo and a tweeky carb... GG
>
> I recommend Steve C Goodman here! works by mail often Both Carb and Turbo... over 50 years of experience and still in business [www.rearenginespecialists.com]
>
>

Well if you are going to jump in might as well use both feet.She is a barn find in every sense. No structural rust just a lot of dirt and minor damage to drivers side fender. Car has never been apart, never had valve covers or carb off. Literally been sitting for 40 years. All original parts and 52,000 miles. Old man died, his car sat under cover, trim parts off of windows and front "winged" badge are inside. This time the story is true. I will post a pic but only one set before she gets a bath at least. This is exactly how I found her.

Joe in South Ga
1965 Corsa 2 dr Coupe Turbo 4sp because I love the looks
18ft Chaparral 180 Sport because I live on a lake, seemed like the thing to do
Chevy Pickup to tow boat and tote things
Chevy Cavalier because they drive like a go-cart

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: October 25, 2019 06:28AM

Joe,

Some words of advice, with it being mostly original. Do what you can to keep as much of that originality as possible. It's only original once, and vehicles that have a great deal of originality are the hottest appreciating vehicles in the old car market today.

The Stock Corvair Group (a chapter of CORSA, the international Corvair club) is trying to document as much as possible of what is original as they can find on original vehicles. Your car sounds like an excellent treasure trove of information for them to look at through their examination that they conduct at the national conventions every year.

May you enjoy you "new" Corvair, and the hobby!

-Mark

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: mtmouse ()
Date: October 25, 2019 08:57AM

67 airvair Wrote:
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> Joe,
>
> Some words of advice, with it being mostly original. Do what you can to keep as much of that originality as possible. It's only original once, and vehicles that have a great deal of originality are the hottest appreciating vehicles in the old car market today.
>
> The Stock Corvair Group (a chapter of CORSA, the international Corvair club) is trying to document as much as possible of what is original as they can find on original vehicles. Your car sounds like an excellent treasure trove of information for them to look at through their examination that they conduct at the national conventions every year.
>
> May you enjoy you "new" Corvair, and the hobby!
>
> -Mark
Thanks Mark. My plan is to take it to only a driver. It will have to have some body work done and paint as well as a headliner. Of course all the brakes and tires/belts. I do not plan to try and start the engine yet. It rolls over by hand but being this age I will at minium remove the shrouds and clean it all up, rebuild the turbo and carb, new fuel tank and fuel lines and probably oil pan gasket and pushrod tube seals at a minimum before I try running it. Like you said, it is only original once and if I don't have to pull the engine apart I don't want to.
Let's start with the first question. This one has the round air cleaner at the carb with the oval air inlet like all the photos I have seen but it also has what looks like an oil bath air cleaner mounted near the left rear of the engine bay with a round to oval spiral hose hooked up to the carb air filter housing. Is this original, it sure looks it but I have never seen a picture with one on it.
Thanks

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: October 25, 2019 08:59AM

Joe - what a great find. I'll second Matt's recommendation about Steve Goodman and turbo knowledge. Years ago Steve helped our local club get a turbo car running after a number of folks could not get it to run properly. Steve knows the turbo cars and how to make them reliable. Turbo carburetors are sensitive to fuel pressure and Steve can help you with that.

Find a local club, although club expertise varies, there are clubs that have knowledgeable folks.

You'll get a LOT of advice on forums, but most are notorious for well intentioned, but incorrect advice. Take your time to figure out what is correct.

You have experience so you probably know the first thing is to get the car running well and then you can decide if you want to make modifications. Turbo cars in particular tend to attract a lot of modifications. That said a stock turbo setup works fine once sorted.

Good luck and enjoy.

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 25, 2019 09:05AM

That is an oil bath air cleaner. It doesn't sound stock. All the stock ones I've seen have a long snorkel on the turbo air cleaner that is round on the end. I'm no authority on oil bath cleaners so maybe someone else will know for sure.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: October 25, 2019 09:25AM

Joe - Please post VIN and body tag information and folks here can tell you what the original configuration was. Not all options were on the body tag.

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: mtmouse ()
Date: October 25, 2019 09:32AM

66vairman Wrote:
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> Joe - Please post VIN and body tag information and folks here can tell you what the original configuration was. Not all options were on the body tag.
Will do as soon as it is delivered. I inspected it and paid the deposit. It is to be delivered this weekend weather permitting.

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: October 25, 2019 10:54AM

Sounds great, having owned mine since it was nearly new I have a few suggestions if it only has 52K on it. If you can turn the turbo easily with you finger the leave it alone for now, they last a very long time unless something metal went through them or the got carboned up. The first thing to go south is the factory bronze valve guides, yours should be well gone. You can check that by just pulling a few exhaust valve springs. This causes a lot of blow by that will end up behind the intake valve head and the turbo. The YH isn't a whole lot more complicated the a lawn mower carb, but age will take it toll, usage or not. You really need to not just clean it, but check all the circuits with a hand vacuum pump. The factiry rings for the turbo are very easy on the jugs. More likely to be gummed or carboned then worn.Plenty of info here. You can search here or use Google and add corvair center to the search query.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

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Re: New Owner Question
Posted by: mtmouse ()
Date: October 25, 2019 11:23AM

I was kind of expecting valve guides and maybe a valve grind since the heads are alloy. Just hoping I don't have to split the cases. I expect crankshaft seals and fuel pump ect.
Seems parts are fairly easy to get and not as expensive as the parts for the Moto Guzzi Eldorado I restored (antique motorcycle).

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