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I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: WhenIm64 ()
Date: August 20, 2019 09:21AM

I have an engine here that is the original from a 1963 FC. The block code is TO222VD. The VD code does not appear in any of my reference materials, but I think that it is the uncommon 1963 102-hp FC engine. Can anyone confirm this, or point me in the right direction?

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: August 20, 2019 09:40AM

You might be in luck Bob if the VD you are referring to is the 1909 VDB (Victor David Brenner) wheat head penny. If in good condition expect 3-4,000 bucks.
Not a bad return for one cents.

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Spyderman64 ()
Date: August 20, 2019 09:52AM

Yep, ‘63 102 h.p. For an FC.

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: August 20, 2019 09:52AM

VD appears on this suffix chart from Clark's.

1960-63 no specific year manual 98-102 not F/C.

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Richard ()
Date: August 20, 2019 10:52AM

Are you guys looking at V or Y. I hear VD affects your vision. gggg

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: August 20, 2019 10:54AM

OOPS!!!

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Nick_Soapdish ()
Date: August 20, 2019 12:42PM

You and me both.



Dylan
'62 95 Panel
Seattle, WA

Wagons and vans, just clap your hands.

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Marco_a_p ()
Date: August 20, 2019 12:46PM

For some reason i recall that being a 64 FC motor.
Dose the case have ribs on one side near the bellhousing?
Dose the case have the fill tube port on the RH side near the rear housing?

Marco
A 2nd Gen Monza Wagon, a 2nd Gen GB 8door, a 2nd Gen (61's were 1st Gen) R/s and a 62nd Gen Turbo coupe..

Hanging out with the scorpions, king snakes, road runners, coyotes and quails In the southern desert of the silver state
Mesquite NV 89024

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Spyderman64 ()
Date: August 20, 2019 01:31PM

In the May/June 1987 Corvanantics Larry Claypool reported that he had seen (2) 1963 FCs with VD engine codes. Both were 4-speeds. Was the option also available with Powerglide? Let’s hope not! Wasn’t there an article about this in the Communique sometime in the last couple of years?

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Date: August 20, 2019 02:52PM

From Bob Helt's "the Classic Corvair" (9th Ed.)

1963 FC 102HP Manual Standard Clutch = VD
" " " " " " " " " " " - Heavy Duty Clutch - = VE

1964 FC 110HP Manual Transmission - - - - = VB

For FC Engines the V indicates Manual Trans and W indicates PowerGlide

1963 FC 102HP PowerGlide Transmission - - - = WC
" " " " " " " Manual Transmission - - - - - - - - = WC


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Black Widow ()
Date: August 23, 2019 11:34PM

My 63 Greenbrier has a power glide with 102. WC code had me looking for a radiator.

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 24, 2019 04:56AM

Here's the complete list of FC engine codes, engine assembly numbers and applications. Copy for future reference...


1961
Type		Engine
Designation  	part #		Application
V		3795113	    Base engine (manual transmission)
VA		3795117	    with RPO 225 (export, low compression)
VB		3814451	    with COPO 2478 (prototype A/C)*
W		3795115	    with RPO 667 (powerglide transmission)
WA		3795119	    with RPO 225 and RPO 667
WB		?	    with COPO 2478 and RPO 667*

1962
Type		Engine
Designation  	part #		Application
V		3819933	    Base engine (manual transmission)
VA		3819969	    with RPO 225 (export, low compression)
VB		3819511	    with FAO 136 (prototype A/C)*
[VD	??	3820191	    with COPO 2478 (prototype A/C)]*
W		3819967	    with RPO 667 (powerglide transmission)
WA		3819971	    with RPO 225 and RPO 667
WB		3819513	    with FAO 136 and RPO 667*

*A history of the prototype FC air conditioner can be pieced together from a
 variety of GM resources with help form Dave Newell. A prototype A/C unit was under
 development in 1961 and appears to have been initiated as COPO 2478 and 
 intended as a mid-1962 release as FAO 136. The engines were given codes of VB
 and WB. Two of the engines were produced in 1961, although production in 1962 is unknown. 
 Documents for 1962 identify the prototype A/C as either a COPO or FAO (and in one case  
 the engine as code VD), possibly reflecting progression and uncertainty toward release.
 It was likely cancelled due to cost and inability to cool the FC's large interior volume.


1963
Type		Engine
Designation  	part #		Application
V		3821809	    Base engine (manual transmission)
VA		3821823	    with RPO L90 (export, low compression)
VD		3834724	    with COPO 9552A (102 HP engine)
VE		3839393	    with COPO 9552B and HD clutch
W		3821815	    with RPO M35 (powerglide transmission)
WA		3821825	    with RPO L90 and RPO M35 
WC		3841999	    with COPO 9552C and  RPO M35

The best discussion of the 102 HP FC engine is an article by Dave Newell
in the CORSA Communique 2018 39 (9).


1964 & 1965
Type		Engine
Designation  	part #		Application
V		3851815	    Base engine (manual transmission)
VA		3851817	    with RPO L90 (export, low compression)
VB		3851335	    with RPO L62 (110 HP engine)
W		3817085	    with RPO M35 (powerglide transmission)
WA		3817089	    with RPO L90 and RPO M35
WB		3851339	    with RPO L62 and RPO M35


Steve

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 24, 2019 05:10AM

Oh, I meant to add ...
Why is there no 1963 "VC" engine code? Might there have been a yet unidentified FC COPO engine that had received the "VC" code in 1962?
Steve

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: August 24, 2019 09:22AM

My 1966 LM Coupe, manufactured 3rd week of Feb 1966, comes with an RX code. With much discussion and referencing it was determined that the engine was documented to be a 1965 Powerglide version of the 110 when used on an FC Van.

The code was also used for a 140 PG, with smog, in 1966 or 1967 (!). The Chiltons manual is the only source that puts an "RX" in the 1967 model year. The other sources for that determination were the Clark's catalog, the "Junkyard Primer," (no idea where that is available) as well as Bob Helt's "Classic Corvair" reference book.

All of the folks identifying the engine for me said that the 140 version with an "RX" was solely for a 500 or Monza, but looking at the sources the only one stating that categorically is the Junkyard Primer, though Rick Loring and Dan Davis do have a ton of info nobody else has. However, Not even the Clark's catalog says the LM 140 was confined to the lower models, though all sources do say that "RX" was reserved for a Powerglide, and since as far as I know Corsas never included Powerglide, maybe that's what it means.

My own Corsa is a 4-speed, and there is no indication the engine has been changed since it was built (though the heads were) so maybe they came in Corsa 140's or maybe the transmission was changed somewhere in there, but it is unlikely.

I mention all of this because everyone discussing FC's has failed to mention the RX code.

Original discussion here:

Need Numbers Translated by a Pro

____________________________________________

Eric C. Player, Porterville, CA, USA (Seriously! It's the USA out here!)
MEMBER: CORSA National, Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, Vintage CORSA, Sfba CORSA, and the San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club.
THEN:
1965 Monza 110, Canary Yellow
1965 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red
1966 Monza 110, Purple
1967 Monza 140, Red
1966 500 110, Black; nicknamed "Shadow"
1965 Monza 110, Camaro Yellow; nicknamed "Silver"
NOW:
1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Blue; nicknamed "Bluvair"

"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .'
and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else."
-- Robert A. Heinlein, character of Daniel B. Davis, 'The Door Into Summer.'

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Black Widow ()
Date: August 26, 2019 10:38AM

Steve, AIR CONDITIONING?!?!?!

This is new to me. Do you have a picture of one? Ever seen this engine code?

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 26, 2019 11:10AM

Rare, Rare, Rare! The engine production numbers for 1961 which Dave Newell has show only two were made; not sure about 1962. Reportedly the rear evaporator was roof mounted.
Steve

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Black Widow ()
Date: August 26, 2019 11:17AM

thumbs upeye popping smileyeye popping smileyeye popping smiley

I thought finding the correct Spotlight parts would be tough. I love new challenges.

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: October 12, 2020 03:35PM

I have a 63 Van I took in on trade for some work. It was jam packed with parts and I never gave it much of a look until emptying it out lately.
It must be a late 63 because it has the 64 style shifter. It has a VD engine.
They took the head off 13 years ago because it was making a knocking sound intermittently and they figured valve seat. I found the head in there. It has the usual 3813516 102 number but has exhaust valve rotators.
I'm sure having the head off outside for 13 years hasn't been good for it. I've had it for a year or two and my intention has always been to get it running and drive it while it's for sale. The 102 FC engine and 64 shifter has me intrigued now. I should get it out of there and on an engine stand in order to approach it in a civilized manner.
At first look the valve seats look intact. Not much use in crawling under for a look at the piston tops.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: October 12, 2020 03:44PM

Years ago I had a Fc Case with that VD code. I did not know where or what year the case was from. It was a small joke at the time.
I have built 164 engines almost exclusively since back then.
It's nice to know where that VD code matches up.smileys with beer

As for the history I had with that case..... I just passed it on! eye rolling smiley

grinning smiley

Corventure Dave

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Re: I've got VD! (VD engine code, that is)
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: October 12, 2020 05:27PM

Richard Wrote:
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> Are you guys looking at V or Y. I hear VD affects your vision. gggg


Made me laugh...again.


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