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O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: July 20, 2019 07:35AM

This car deserves a thread of its own!!!


Eight speed duel clutch transaxle is explicitly not available as a separate part.

It'll take about ten minutes for wrecked on the way home units to be out there.

At $60K for a 500 HP base model how will they keep them in showroom stock.


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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 20, 2019 09:04AM

I'll say it again.
With mass production of these, over time it will help make it much easier for someone to install, into a LM Corvair, a complete power-plant like this, with everything needed, including the steering wheel.

The leg room and performance that this will provide, in a Corvair, should be a great improvement vs any thing built to this point.

But I've been wondering what the results of weight ratio at the four corners will end up being.
Will it be an improvement with the power-plant sitting father back towards the rear tires vs all the previous mid-engine V8 builds or not?



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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: July 20, 2019 09:13AM

All other thing being equal shifting a mid engine car's weight rearward from 50/50 is normally a good thing.
I haven't seen specs on the new Corvette but being RWD I'm betting it will have a rearward weight bias.

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: Vin ()
Date: July 20, 2019 11:07AM

I have been waiting and really hoping GM would get this mostly right. And to my way of thinking they did. I really like the looks and the price to performance ratio is astounding. I think Porsche now has a big dilemma on their hands. And while this is rear mid engine and our Corvairs are rear engine, I also hope this adds some luster to our Corvairs in a round about way as it does away with the purist idea of a front engine American sports car.


Vin
Dayton, OH
1965 Corvair Monza Convertible (4 speed)

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: jimc ()
Date: July 20, 2019 03:43PM

New Corvette is very Ferrari-esque.

From what I can see, no boy racer design with the look of afterthought bits and pieces, just a mature design with nice smooth flowing lines.

Mechanically, I hope they didn't fill that new tranny with a bunch of plastic parts that will lead to short term life with hard use.

Great looking vehicle though.

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1965 Corsa
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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: Spectre ()
Date: July 20, 2019 05:05PM

Looks like a bargain for the performance. And finally, after talking about it for over 50 years, we get the mid-engine layout.

David Clamp


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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: LeadFootLogan ()
Date: July 20, 2019 05:23PM

Ferrari and General Motors have had a deal in the past where GM would give Ferrari their suspension because it was the best to use for racing and Ferrari would give GM rights to use their body styling from one of their cars so GM could design the C7. They probably made another deal. Going to the original thing of putting that engine and tranny set up in a Vair. Personally I would do a LS with a C5 T56 transaxle, make an adaptor plate, use Holley EFI, with a stand alone ecu. And there you go, a 300+ mid engine Corvair that can easily take the abuse.

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: July 20, 2019 05:42PM

Ferrari and GM making deals...interesting.

Corvette has done well in the Rolex Series.

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 20, 2019 05:49PM

LeadFootLogan Wrote:
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> Ferrari and General Motors have had a deal in the past where GM would give Ferrari their suspension because it was the best to use for racing and Ferrari would give GM rights to use their body styling from one of their cars so GM could design the C7. They probably made another deal. Going to the original thing of putting that engine and tranny set up in a Vair. Personally I would do a LS with a C5 T56 transaxle, make an adaptor plate, use Holley EFI, with a stand alone ecu. And there you go, a 300+ mid engine Corvair that can easily take the abuse.

IF I have the right transaxle setup in mind for the T56, it is too long.
Yes - it might work, or maybe has worked for someone, without me knowing it.
But again, other than an Olds Toronado or any other transverse transaxle setup, like everything else to this point in time with most mid-engine V8 Corvairs they take up too much cabin space.

I happen to have a C5 or C6 (can't recall now) differential that I'm using for mockup to keep things as short as possible.

Everything GM and custom builders have use in regards to Corvette transaxle setup to this point, take up a lot of real-estate.

I really like the short distance from what looks like a partial bell housing to the axle location of this new mid-engine setup they have come up with.



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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: July 20, 2019 06:00PM

I'm beginning to wonder...if the C8 can really be had at $60K.

Why spend that much or more building a mid engine Corvair?

Not to mention the hundreds of hours it takes to build it.

The Corvair will never be able to do the things a C8 will do.

C8 will give you 200 mph technology for pennies on the dollar.

No need for V8 guys to get offended...just thinking out loud.

I've built a Crown car and owned SuperVair so I know the drill.

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 20, 2019 06:12PM

Phil,

Did you happen to watch Jay Leno's live video, on Friday, with one of if not the designer on the new C8?

I don't want to distract from what looks to be an awesome performance mid-engine USA made car at an unbelievable (anything under 75k) price point.

I just picture the many possibility of a lot more custom mid-engine builds of "ALL KINDS", once (sadly) there are wrecked C8s available.
Now that the engine is in the back; all front end wrecks will have everything one should need for a great mid-engine project.



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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 20, 2019 06:16PM

Phil, now you are talking "common sense"

Last super Vette that I drove was a friend's '07 Cad XLRV 460 hp 2007 [ $105K]

..more than anyone needs! And available now for $20k, or the models that are non supercharged $8k

Get one with folding top!

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: July 20, 2019 07:42PM

Thank You Matt!!!

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once (sadly) there are wrecked C8s available.

See my original post.

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: July 20, 2019 07:51PM

Phil Dally Wrote:
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> Thank You Matt!!!
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Tony
> once (sadly) there are wrecked C8s available.
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> See my original post.


I saw it. ggg

High production + speed + mid-engine or better protected power-plant from most wrecks = More available complete power-plant units available over time of production. grinning smiley hot smiley

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: July 21, 2019 09:48AM

LeadFootLogan Wrote:
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> Ferrari and General Motors have had a deal in the past where GM would give Ferrari their suspension because it was the best to use for racing and Ferrari would give GM rights to use their body styling from one of their cars so GM could design the C7. They probably made another deal. Going to the original thing of putting that engine and tranny set up in a Vair. Personally I would do a LS with a C5 T56 transaxle, make an adaptor plate, use Holley EFI, with a stand alone ecu. And there you go, a 300+ mid engine Corvair that can easily take the abuse.


The only deals I have rear about GM making was licensing of their patented magnetorheological dampers (MagneRide).
Not that I am a proponent of Wikipedia, the info posted there on this subject is very accurate and includes a list of other non GM manufacturers that used the technology [en.wikipedia.org]

Lee J

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: Wills69 ()
Date: July 21, 2019 09:54AM

Assuming pushrod engine.

Any Performance data? 1/4 mile, Nurburgring lap?

Will
Grayslake IL
69 500

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: July 21, 2019 11:09AM

Phil Dally Wrote:
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> I'm beginning to wonder...if the C8 can really be had at $60K.
>
> Why spend that much or more building a mid engine Corvair?
>
> Not to mention the hundreds of hours it takes to build it.
>
> The Corvair will never be able to do the things a C8 will do.
>
> C8 will give you 200 mph technology for pennies on the dollar.
>
> No need for V8 guys to get offended...just thinking out loud.
>
> I've built a Crown car and owned SuperVair so I know the drill.


Phil - I suspect the early demand will push C8 sticker prices up at the dealer, but then things will settle down. Also expect C8 models with the extra "goodies" and higher sticker prices within a year to supplement the base model.

Most like to be "creative", modify, and bench race, but yes it gets to the point were for not unreasonable money you can by a 5 year old Porsche Boxter or Vette that will give far more bang for the buck versus trying to turn a Corvair into a supercar. Even C8's are going to depreciate for many years.

That said I like the Corvair for what it is. As the saying goes "Sometimes it's more fun trying to go fast in a slower car versus having to drive a really fast car slow (to stay out of trouble)".

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: Wills69 ()
Date: July 21, 2019 11:17AM

Found 0-60 under 3 secs.

6.6 L NA motor, dry sump, 495 HP 470 torque

Will
Grayslake IL
69 500

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: July 21, 2019 11:50AM

The supercharged version will be the Hellcat's worst nightmare.

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Re: O/T-2020 C8 Mid Engine V8 Corvette
Posted by: Spectre ()
Date: July 21, 2019 11:54AM

Phil Dally Wrote:
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> The supercharged version will be the Hellcat's worst nightmare.


It won't just be the Hellcat's nightmare.

David Clamp


1965 Corsa convertible - 140 4spd/3.55/AM-FM

2013 Mustang GT convertible - 5.0, 6spd auto, Procharger i-1

2003 Miata SE - 6spd manual (wife's toy)

"Victory is mine!" - SG

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