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El Corvino Styling
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: July 19, 2019 12:16PM

My buddy has purchased a project Corvair that my other buddy began. It's the front half of a 63 coupe paired with the rear half of a 62 wagon to make an El Camino style pick-up. The original guy called it El Corvino but I'm not sure if the name stuck.

It's got the low regular windshield from the coupe and the wagon roof is gone, I suppose the rear half was primarily to get the air louvers in the fenders, a start on the cargo area and what will be the tailgate area.

I believe the wheelbase is about a foot longer than stock 108.

What I think is cool is that he wants to use the rear window and rear roofline from a 61 sedan. The sticking point is how to blend the leading edge of the rear window with the door. Some of the El Caminos had a triangle filler section which doesn't really appeal to me.
I was wondering about a door welded together made with the front half of a coupe or sedan front door and the rear half of a sedan rear door. I would think the sedan rear door glass along with the wing window would be about the right size, it seems good to start with the glass instead of ending with it as something made up special.

It's really none of my business. The original 2 cars came from me but other than that I'm just an interested bystander. In the 80s I came very close to buying a 59 El Camino project instead of another Corvair, it may have changed my life.

Some of you guys are very talented with cutting and pasting photos together as a styling exercise, anyone care to take a shot at it? It might be fun to have some visuals.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: July 19, 2019 12:38PM

I just went out and measured. A welded together door as I described would be 51" long and the rear door glass would have to be ground down somewhat in the front top corner. Front door glass curves down somewhat to meet the wing window.
By comparison a coupe door is 48" long.
That rear door glass is longer than one might think. It looks goofy big when squared up in the Lakewood but I never thought about the sedan much.
I hope no one is having a coronary because of my incorrect used of coupe and sedan.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 19, 2019 12:44PM

Jim if you look back you can find a similar
car in Tucson, Frank Tojero I believe is
the owner. Also in the Chicago area Dave
Harris did one in the 70s. I have seen
references back to it, probably in old
COMMUNIQUE issues.

Matt may have some file photos of these
and possibly more.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC/V8 Registry

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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 19, 2019 12:54PM

Here's some pics...

Jim I luv the idea of longer doors!

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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: July 19, 2019 01:00PM

None of the roof and window treatments above are what I'm looking for. Most have the little triangle and none have the sedan rear window.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: July 19, 2019 01:24PM

This is the one in Tucson that as far as I know is still being repaired after a hard hit to the front.



This is Mike Lake with it before the crash. I think he is pointing to where you don't put the groceries. smiling smiley



Dave W. / Gilbert Arizona
65 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4 w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 455 Toro V8
65 Monza Convertible 110/4
66 Monza Convertible 140/4 A/C
65 Monza 4DR 140/PG w/factory A/C
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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: July 19, 2019 01:35PM

That one above, was in the PNW for a while.
Or its IDENTICAL Clone.
It is one of the better done EM, El Corvinos I have seen.
BUT, Using the longer doors, and 4-door rear window sounds like a WINNER in my book. thumbs upthumbs up
MUCH more work, but a much nicer styling result IF done properly.

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I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
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'03 Honda Del Sol
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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 19, 2019 01:54PM

Charcoal one belongs to Roland Martin It is in the Seattle are... they've driven everywhere! for the last 20 years..

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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 19, 2019 03:12PM

Here's a nice photoshop

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Re: El Corvino Styling
Date: July 19, 2019 03:52PM

Here's some photo-dreaming I made from a Wagon.



Longer coupe doors, rear section from sedan rear door to get the "Nomad" angle going.
A G-body el Camino would contribute the concave rear window/bed area to mate with the B pillar slant.
Not easy, but looks far better than one with original wagon front doors. IMHO.


I originally did this one, which was Nomad influenced, obviously.




Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 19, 2019 04:08PM

Mike McGowan (ex COMMUNIQUE editor)
owned a 2dr Nomad style wagon a long
time ago.

Also a long ago COMMUNIQUE article
featured a 2dr wagon made from a LM.
I believe Dave Harris built that one
too. Seeing the LM El Cormino reminded
me of it.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC/V8 Registry

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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: July 19, 2019 05:04PM

MattNall Wrote:
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> Here's a nice photoshop


THAT is nice ! thumbs up

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
Have; '66 Monza Coupe - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
.
non-vair
'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
17'Terry

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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: July 20, 2019 07:23AM

Yes the picture that Dan made is what I'm talking about with the doors.
In reality the rear window wraps around more and the roof overhang is longer.
The picture is nice and gives the general idea.
In reality there may not be enough length in the chassis to use glass without cutting and still have a decent truck bed.
I wonder if 59 El Camino used sedan glass for rear window or if it was a special piece?
I tried to copy and paste a 59 El Camino picture but couldn't get it done with my limited computer abilities.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: July 20, 2019 12:17PM

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Mel
That one above, was in the PNW for a while.
Or its IDENTICAL Clone.

That orange one (1962) was here in Fredericksburg for many years, owned by Ray Davis. We called it the El Vair. It came out of Pennsylvania when Ray bought it.

He sold it to a guy in Oregon (IIRC) who then sold it to the guy in Arizona.

So, not a clone, the same car.

Interesting is there were TWO of these in Fredericksburg at the same time. A red one (1961) still is in the area.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: July 20, 2019 02:45PM

Nice photoshop, Matt, but who busted your springs? Or did you just forget to unload your barbells? LOL

-Mark

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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 20, 2019 02:57PM

not me!! TrailerParkLimo!

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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: July 21, 2019 02:18AM

Jim:


Here is the best rear window photos I could find on the 1959 El Camino.

Hope it helps the discussion.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: July 21, 2019 02:31AM

It looks like a special glass for the El Camino. Here are photos of the 4 door sedan and 4 door hard top.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: July 22, 2019 05:04AM

Those 59 pictures are perfect and exactly what I was looking for.

The 4-door hard top looks a lot like the 4-door Corvair rear glass which seems to wrap around further than the El Camino.

Corvair 2-door rear window seems like it would be very tall if mounted vertically.

They must have had special rear glass in say a 64 El Camino as well. They are pleasing to the eye as well.

I must have an aversion to triangle fillers, the 59 sedan doesn't do it for me either.
The Honda Fit in the front too for that matter. My brother had one, I like a small car but it gave me the heebie jeebies every time I looked at it.

I wonder if the El Corvino could grind off some of the leading edge to reduce the forward wrap around and sill maintain most of the width. Or use something else and still maintain the overhang. I think it's the roof overhang that I especially love. The 59 El Camino is very pleasing to my eye.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: El Corvino Styling
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: July 22, 2019 07:12AM

Why not look at the 62 Ranchero glass. It is flat.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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