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custom transmission
Posted by: 1967vair500 ()
Date: July 08, 2019 11:56PM

so I was looking at swapping my 3 speed transmission with a 4 speed for quieter highway cruising, but then I found out that both transmissions in their highest gear are a 1:1 ratio. I had an idea to take the gears out of a 3 speed and put them in a 4 speed shell and then make a custom gear to replace the 4th gear with to make a sort of overdrive for highway cruising. any thoughts or opinions?

Alexander levi
SE Portland, Oregon
1967 corvair 500 95hp 3spd coupe

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Re: custom transmission
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:02AM

What size tires are you running?
Diameter can make a HUGE difference in mileage, and cruising RPM.
Going to taller rear tires is much cheaper, and easier than trying to create a "New Transmission".
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Re: custom transmission
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: July 09, 2019 04:49AM

It could be done but you would have a weird shift pattern. If you take a 4 spd third would have to be the overdrive. So your shift pattern would be 1-2-4-3. I forget what number you can get for an overdrive but the cost is somewhat prohibitive. I can easily see $1500-$1800 for a trans, maybe more as it would all be custom.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
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Re: custom transmission
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: July 09, 2019 05:07AM

What is your r/p ratio in diff? If you
have typical 3.55-1 it can be swapped to
3.27-1 or 3.08-1 if you can find one.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

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Re: custom transmission
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: July 09, 2019 06:56AM

Years ago I put a "custom" transaxle in my '67.

The combination used a 3.08 axle ratio combined with an early-model, wide-ratio 4-speed. The low, 3.65:1 first gear (vs 3.11 in a '66-9 4sp) yielded a perfectly normal take-off and a relaxed highway cruise.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
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66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
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Re: custom transmission
Posted by: scottymac ()
Date: July 09, 2019 10:04AM

I know in the Seventies after the first gas crisis, Ford and Chrysler took their four speed transmissions, juggled the ratios, and like your idea, third gear became a 1:1 ratio and added an overdrive gear. Honestly don't know if Saginaw did the same.

My old '66 Galaxie was originally a three on the tree. Found one of the overdrive trans in a Granada and replaced the three speed with it. In the late Seventies, Ford eliminated the external linkage and came out with the SROD transmissions. I found one with an aluminum case in a Mercury Zephyr, and swapped the Granada gears into the Zephyr (longer input shaft) case. With the .70 overdrive top gear and a 3.00:1 axle ratio, the old boat will cruise at 80mph @ 2,700 rpm (289 V-8 mostly stock), and knock down 20 mpg. Don't think about acceleration, though, gaps between gears are WIDE.

Scott
Danville, In.
'65 Corsa basket case
'66 Monza coupe

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Re: custom transmission
Posted by: caroseiii ()
Date: July 09, 2019 10:06AM

You have to do the 3.08 for that, like Craig wrote. It has some negatives if you don't have enough torque with the 3.1 first gear.

Crawford Rose

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Re: custom transmission
Posted by: RCSmith ()
Date: July 09, 2019 11:19AM

I believe Bob Coffin has built
a 4spd overdrive in the past.

In ‘86 chevy had one available in the Cavalier
with 2.8 6 cylinder.
3rd gear was 1:1 and 4th was around
a .7 overdrive. It worked out fine.

Ray C. Smith
'66 Corsa


Bergen County ,NJ

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Re: custom transmission
Posted by: vairchet ()
Date: July 09, 2019 11:22AM

So.... you like shifting? Check this out: [www.youtube.com]

Chet in Ramona

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Re: custom transmission
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:33PM

Compared to today's O.D. cars the Corvair does sound busy on the highway, but keep in mind a Covair engine was not built to run at low RPM under highway loads like modern engines with advanced lubrication systems.

I run a 66 four speed with a 3:27 diff. gear and it's a good compromise for nice starts in 1st and quieter cruising vs. a 3:55 ring and pinion.

I found adding sound deadening (including inside on the roof) and the engine compartment fiberglass mats (Clark's sells them) reduced the highway noise level.

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Re: custom transmission
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:52PM

For the OP's question - 4th isn't a "gear" as such. It is just the input locked to the output so you can't shuffle different gears around to change it. That will hopefully help you understand Ken's correct answer.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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