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Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: Tom Rahochik ()
Date: June 25, 2019 01:10PM

I will be installing my front wheel spindles to my upper and lower control arms
on my 1966 Corsa convertible. Do I install them to the control arm studs dry or
with grease, etc. All opinions are appreciated.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2019 09:44PM by MattNall.

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Re: Front Spindle Installaion - Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: June 25, 2019 01:12PM

You mean the ball joint to spindle taper joint? Dry.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: Front Spindle Installaion - Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: June 25, 2019 08:39PM

Here in the rusty east I lube everything!thumbs up

Always tighten the castle nut and install the cotter key. Never back up the nut to align the cotter pin holes with the castle nut.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: Tom Rahochik ()
Date: June 26, 2019 05:40AM

Joel:

Yes, the top & bottom ball joint studs to the upper and lower spindle taper hole.
Any benefit of installing dry vs. grease lube?

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: June 26, 2019 07:28AM

Locking together is the purpose of the tapered joint. It's counter-productive to lubricate that joint. I recommend clean, dry-fit.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: June 26, 2019 07:55AM

cnicol Wrote:
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> Locking together is the purpose of the tapered joint. It's counter-productive to lubricate that joint. I recommend clean, dry-fit.
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X2







1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: June 26, 2019 07:57AM

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: June 26, 2019 07:58AM

As it becomes a "solid" fit it would push out the lube. If it makes one feel better perhaps a small amount of
antiseize would not hurt. Would you be planning on taking it apart again anytime soon? We put them together dry
in my shop (referring to other cars than Corvairs).

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: vairchet ()
Date: June 26, 2019 08:36AM

Personally, I assemble tapered joints dry much like everyone else. But, if you're insistent on using some sort of lubricant, DO NOT USE GREASE. Use this stuff or something similar:

Chet in Ramona

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: June 26, 2019 10:03AM

It's not for ease of assembly, you west coast people, it is for keeping it from rusting into a solid mass if you need to get it apart again.

You west coast people do not even use grease/anti-seize on lug nuts..... grinning smiley

Hundreds of taper joints assembled with grease, never a problem. It should squeeze out anyway, just leaving a molecule thickness of grease in there.thumbs up It keeps the salt out of the joint.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: Goop Of Oil ()
Date: June 26, 2019 10:18AM

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Frank DuVal Wrote:
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> It's not for ease of assembly, you west coast people, it is for keeping it from rusting into a solid mass if you need to get it apart again.
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> You west coast people do not even use grease/anti-seize on lug nuts..... grinning smiley
>
> Hundreds of taper joints assembled with grease, never a problem. It should squeeze out anyway, just leaving a molecule thickness of grease in there.thumbs up It keeps the salt out of the joint.


X9. An extra X for the Pitman arm bolt in this here East Coast!

Mark Holmlund

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: vairchet ()
Date: June 26, 2019 10:49AM

How often are going to replace suspension components in your car? Originals lasted at least 50 years. Are you going to be around another 50 years?

Chet in Ramona

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: June 26, 2019 10:50AM

I will admit that I don't deal with the rust like you people up in the Arctic Circle. I think we have plenty of rust here without adding salt.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: June 26, 2019 12:56PM

I am in agreement with just about everything stated. But for the record Joel we have not had snow here in 9 days (and counting).

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: June 26, 2019 01:57PM

What's snow?

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: June 26, 2019 05:17PM

Who still drives their Corvair when there's snow/salt/slush on the road? Corvair death sentence IMO sad smiley

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: June 26, 2019 05:45PM

Still daily drivers on the road here.

What else do you do with the cars most people do not want to save? Too many parts already hoarded by many people, so no reason to make more parts cars.

Get out and have fun!smileys with beer

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: June 26, 2019 06:39PM

I have been the last owner of several Corvairs, driving them into the ground after no one else loves them. I've been a little out of the habit lately but will return to it.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: June 26, 2019 08:45PM

Also, it is like an SOP, standard operating procedure for me. Doesn't matter what car I'm working on, everything gets lube of some sort*. So I do not treat Corvairs any different than any other car I'm working on, even if they are used only on good days by owners. I'm sure you do the same in your own way.

*Lube inside of rotor hats, face of rotor hats, pins and slides on calipers, lug nuts, backing plates, self adjusters, bolts, nuts, taper fits, any bare metal, etc etc etc.winking smiley

As to how often do I expect to take suspension apart, more than I want to! Replace broken springs, replace rotted crossmembers (keeping good parts), R&I fuel tank, idler arm not passing state safety inspection, rebuilding steering box, etc etc.

Truly I have replaced very few ball joints over the years, but I have separated hundreds! Never know when I will be the next one in there.smileys with beer

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Front Balljoint tapershaft- Yay or nay to lube
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: June 26, 2019 09:20PM

Good procedure. I like to build things with the intent to never work on them again but do anything that makes it better to work on if I have to.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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