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FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: momach ()
Date: June 06, 2019 08:41PM

Only have the one side. Passenger side with oil fill/dipstick hole and undrilled regular dipstick boss.
This is a 1964, for a long stroke 164 Rampside.
Missing some studs. Sorry, don't have the other half.
Pick up in Anacortes WA or meet within reasonable distance.
Make offer.
Forsale

Steve , on the wet side of Washington State

one too many cars,(maybe)

multiple Corvairs.
1962 Buick Skylark
1967 Datsun 2000 roadster

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: Monza109 ()
Date: June 06, 2019 09:34PM

Looks like a 1961-63 case half to me.

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: dryenko ()
Date: June 07, 2019 06:19AM

Sorry, useless without the other half.
They are matched at the factory and can't be switched around.

Bob C aka Dryenko
Dobson, NC 27017

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: wv-geo ()
Date: June 07, 2019 06:40AM

dryenko Wrote:
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> Sorry, useless without the other half.
> They are matched at the factory and can't be switched around.

X2.

I was told the halves are a matched set because the crank and cam bores are machined after bolting together, as are the bolt holes for the rear housing and bellhousing.

One might be able to find another case half that is close to the one you have, then align-bore the crank and cam bores. However, the rear cover and bellhousing alignment (bolt hole distances) may be off.

Maybe someone with an auto machinist background could chime in.

Dan Stark
Hurricane, WV

1961 Lakewood 500, 80HP, PG
1964 Corvair 500 Coupe, 140HP, 4spd (Christine)
1965 Mustang Coupe, 6cyl, 3spd

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: momach ()
Date: June 07, 2019 06:43AM

Ok, to scrap it goes.

But, it is long stroke, correct? I'm looking at the con rod reliefs inside.
Don't know what Monza109 is seeing to call it 61-63

Steve , on the wet side of Washington State

one too many cars,(maybe)

multiple Corvairs.
1962 Buick Skylark
1967 Datsun 2000 roadster

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: June 07, 2019 07:55AM

On a typical 164 right-side case has three horizontal ribs between cylinder #5 and the bell housing flange. I would expect 164 FC cases to have these ribs but anything is possible.

Below:
Upper image is 145 case
Lower image is 164 case

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: momach ()
Date: June 07, 2019 08:22AM

Thanks for the pic, Craig.
Yep, didn't notice the lack of ribs between #5 and bell housing face.
Easier clue to later blocks without looking inside.

Steve , on the wet side of Washington State

one too many cars,(maybe)

multiple Corvairs.
1962 Buick Skylark
1967 Datsun 2000 roadster

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: June 07, 2019 10:11AM

You can see it has the factory cut outs for the long stroke crank.







1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: June 07, 2019 10:26AM

Save your head bolts. Someone may want them for a replacement.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: June 07, 2019 10:27AM

Too bad, because the 164ci FC crankcases are hard to find!sad smiley

Corventure Dave

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: June 07, 2019 10:48AM

You guys keep referring to "FC" cases.
Is this just an oversight of Wagons, or is there a difference between FC cases, and Wagon cases?
I always thought that they were "FC/Wagon" cases.
Just curious, because I have two spare FC or Wagon engines, and would like to know just what I have if there is a difference.

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I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza - 140 4-spd. driver
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'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dualy, approaching 400K
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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: June 07, 2019 11:14AM

Geez, and I have a FC/Wagon 145 case myself that is 50% modified for the 164 components. I suspect cases are not that hard to find. Just nobody is asking for any lately.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: momach ()
Date: June 07, 2019 11:37AM

Differences with FC and wagon? Maybe not the pre '64 cases, since there were no 164ci wagons.
But to go beyond the block, and correct me if needed, I believe the FC only had rotators on the valve spring retainers.

Steve , on the wet side of Washington State

one too many cars,(maybe)

multiple Corvairs.
1962 Buick Skylark
1967 Datsun 2000 roadster

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: June 07, 2019 01:15PM

As this has been referred to nd identified as a 164 crankcase, it could only be an 64 - 65FC.... Unless it had a plug for the car style dipstick tube. Then it would be an universal replacement crankcase. These are considered even more valuable because of the potential of far fewer miles of use, being a replacement for the factory installed engine in most cases.winking smiley

Corventure Dave

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: June 07, 2019 04:20PM

Speaking of not mis-matching crankcases, I have an engine that's a bit of an anomaly.
It's a RD which should be a regular old 65-67 110 Manual but it has a FC filler tube and dipstick. Since the numbers are on the left half and the filler tube is on the right half I wonder if someone mated different halves. I would expect a 65 FC to be a RU or RX.
It's in a 61 Greenbrier PG that I bought for parts several years ago. The story was that his brother had it fixed up back in the day, took a trip around the US, never much used it after that and it came to rest for several years in the pole barn. I had it running for a few minutes about 5 years ago and it seemed okay. It's destined for my 63 8-door Van.
So anyone have an explanation for a FC RD?

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: June 07, 2019 04:31PM

I have no explanation for that Jim. But speaking of mismatched case halves, is there a way to determine what halve goes to which halve? I saw a guy recently that had a "pile" of case halves without them being stuck together. In other words just a pile of parts sitting haphazardly together. So how could someone determine which halve goes to which halve?

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: June 07, 2019 04:46PM

Good question. Start with EM and LM and then try to match patina? Maybe main bearing numbers if they're still there. I've got a few of those but I didn't do it.
It's like when people say them Corvair carburetors and distributors are all the same.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: momach ()
Date: June 18, 2019 07:53PM

Ok,finally got to the storage where this FC/wagon case is at. The missing other half has been reunited with this odd case half. I had it right in front of me, but since this other half doesn't have the internal machining, I figured they didn't belong together. Strange.
Externally, machined boss for oil filler, dipstick boss undrilled, stamped V code and no webbing behind cylinder 5. All points to short stroke FC/wagon case for manual vehicle. Internally, one side machined for long stroke crank. Just one side.
Only explanation I could think of is this is the date where GM had started machining internals for long stroke, but hadn't yet changed the casting for external webbing behind cylinder 5.

Steve , on the wet side of Washington State

one too many cars,(maybe)

multiple Corvairs.
1962 Buick Skylark
1967 Datsun 2000 roadster

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: momach ()
Date: June 18, 2019 07:59PM

Last picture shows the other case half internals. This engine is for a 145 cid.

I have the correct heads and lots of other FC parts, if anyone's interested, PM me.

Steve , on the wet side of Washington State

one too many cars,(maybe)

multiple Corvairs.
1962 Buick Skylark
1967 Datsun 2000 roadster

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Re: FS FC case half 164cid
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: June 18, 2019 07:59PM

Sounds just like my FC/Wagon WC case. One side machining done, but not the other.

Is yours a WC case?

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp





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