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Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 07, 2019 08:34PM

Frank DuVal Wrote:
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> I remember a friend with a Falcon 6 cyl. He had to
> put an extra oil line in to properly oil the valve
> train. He said the Facons 6 cyl were deficent in
> valve train oil without the added line.
>
> It was common to see the copper line going from
> the crankcase to the valve cover on Falcon sixes
> sitting on used car lots in the late 60s through
> the mid 70s.thumbs up


I think it was a problem for many furd engines straight across the board.
I have even seen some of their V-8's with auxiliary top-end oiling systems jury-rigged onto the valve covers.

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Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 07, 2019 09:02PM

Added line was because Ford gave many engine designs too loos a fit of the Cam Bearings...

When they spun...they closed off the oil holes... Cams would live... but no oil to Rockers... 239/259/272/312's and the early new 6cylinder 144 / 170....fixed in the 200's

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Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 07, 2019 09:07PM

Frank DuVal Wrote:
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> I remember a friend with a Falcon 6 cyl. He had to
> put an extra oil line in to properly oil the valve
> train. He said the Facons 6 cyl were deficent in
> valve train oil without the added line.
>
> It was common to see the copper line going from
> the crankcase to the valve cover on Falcon sixes
> sitting on used car lots in the late 60s through
> the mid 70s.thumbs up
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Actually, it went from a TEE at the Oil Press. switch to each rocker SHAFT / Valve cover retaining stud... Hollowed out!

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Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: May 08, 2019 05:39AM

It makes me sad when people are mean to j3m. He's okay. The beauty of Corvair Center is you can just read what interests you.

Corvairs have a unique and intangible feeling that doesn't show up in a Specifications table. The competitors just had more of the same.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: MoxyRamone ()
Date: May 08, 2019 06:52AM

JimBrandberg Wrote:
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> It makes me sad when people are mean to j3m. He's
> okay.

He had a habit of dropping a book-sized post on new members, often with cruel intentions. Thunderbearr, Vincep, and myself were victems of his belittling attacks on our respective projects. Of the three of us, only I still post here. In my case, the straw that broke the camel's back was when he laid a 5000 word attack on me, criticizing my purchase of a 1963 Monza coupe. He said I was stupid for purchasing that "deathtrap." How are you going to talk s*&@ about Corvairs.... On a Corvair Forum? He doesn't play well with others and he thinks our toys suck.


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Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: May 08, 2019 07:00AM

John...you sum up j3m perfectly.

Certainly more newbies have left.

Or never logged on because of this.

Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: May 08, 2019 07:01AM

"He's OK" ??????

You haven't actually read what he writes, have you ?

Sure there is a good nugget now and then, but the tirade you have to read through to see it, then do you just believe the correct nugget, or also believe everything he writes?

Too hard for a newcomer to sort out the pearls from the trash.thumbs up

He is like Ralph Nader, people scan a few nuggets Ralph wrote and think the book is about the Corvair, when it is about the entire car industry of circa 1964. No one remembers the whole story Ralph was trying to tell.

If j3m would write small replies, people could read them and we could discuss them rationally. But, that will never happen.sad smiley

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: May 08, 2019 07:22AM

Yes I guess I haven't read many of the j3m posts all the way through. I jumped to the conclusion that people were picking on him just because he's wordy. I didn't know that he had been picking on others so that's a different story. I stand corrected. Perhaps VD and Mr. Clap goes a bit far... I'm usually suspicious when anyone just uses a screen name, perhaps there are valid reasons these days with crazy people and all.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com



Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: rnch ()
Date: May 08, 2019 07:30AM

My "seat of the pants" driving impressions: The PG Corvair was slightly quicker than the Ford-o-Matic Falcon (esp in low gear take offs) and didn't have the annoying, irritating exhaust bleating sound of the Falcon.

The Valiant, with it's larger "Slant Six" engine and superior, "Automotive Reference Standard" 3 speed Torqueflite automatic transmission, was an alcohol powered, fire breathing dragster when compared to the Falcon and Corvair.

"Your opinions, like my gas mileage, may vary".

Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: MoxyRamone ()
Date: May 08, 2019 10:49AM

I will refrain from juvenile name calling in the future. In hindsight, it was going too far and I apologise.

As for the Turbo-air vs Falcon Six debate:

I have had the chance to drive both. I wasn't wowed by either one, though I felt the Corvair accelerated better.


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Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: Peeeot ()
Date: May 08, 2019 12:12PM

I was looking for vintage articles on hopping up the turbo-air and found the 1960 comparison of supercharged compacts: 144 Falcon, 140 Corvair, and 170 Valiant.

This article was telling of the real-world difference between the Corvair and Falcon, and even the Valiant (with a substantial displacement advantage and 101 hp, 155 tq). Prior to supercharging, they tested stock 3-speed manuals. The Corvair used was the 95-hp version, but it handily outperformed both other cars in stock form with 0-60 mph 2.8 seconds faster than Valiant and 6.5 seconds faster than Falcon. 50-80 mph acceleration was 5 seconds faster than Valiant and 10.6 seconds faster than Falcon! Corvair and Valiant had 3.56 axles and Falcon had 3.89.

The Corvair continued to outgun the other two when supercharged, despite having no internal upgrades whatsoever. It outgunned Falcon after Falcon was substantially reworked, though of course the margin was smaller.

I enjoyed reading this article and also feel that it essentially proved that the engineering advantages of the Turbo-Air design have real-world benefits not evident in the on-paper numbers.

Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: May 08, 2019 12:15PM

Post a link!

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: larry202br ()
Date: May 08, 2019 12:45PM

I owned both, at the same time. The Corvair was so much more fun to drive, regardless of HP, etc.! I really didn't like driving the Falcon, even though I'm somewhat of a Ford guy.

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Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: Peeeot ()
Date: May 08, 2019 01:24PM

I was hesitant to post a link since it’s on another forum. But here it is: Supercharging the Compacts

Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: May 08, 2019 01:35PM

I've got a Paxton. Maybe I should put it on a Corvair.

Joel
Northlake, TX
5 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: rnch ()
Date: May 08, 2019 04:20PM

Must have been problems with that particular Valiant; one of the slowest slant 6 engine ever made?

Those zero to sixty times seem to be suspect.



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Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: vaporloc ()
Date: May 08, 2019 05:15PM

After watching unsafe's video I almost went online to buy a Falcon. I was sold. I'am over it now,

Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 08, 2019 05:27PM

vaporloc Wrote:
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> After watching unsafe's video I almost went online
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You want that tire smoke Jerry.... admit it!! GGG

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Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: vaporloc ()
Date: May 08, 2019 06:17PM

yea Matt. We stuffed a 1000 horsepower alcohol injected Holman Moody FE tunnel port into one of those Falcons. It would melt the tires off the back. I'am retired now but still miss all those drag strip smells.

Re: Turbo-Air vs. Falcon Six
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: May 08, 2019 06:23PM

vaporloc Wrote:
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I'm retired now but still miss all those drag strip smells.

Meet me at Speed Week on the salt in August and get a fix.

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