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Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: moomba32 ()
Date: April 13, 2019 10:26AM

I'm preparing to do some work to my 64 Spyder and thinking about speeding up the steering a little while I'm at it. I was looking at quick arms from Clarks and they sell different ones for early and late although the stock arms are the same for 63-69. Anyone know why there's a difference on the quick arms they sell. What I'm thinking about doing it buying a set of stock arms and cutting them down and welding them, I'm not a competent welder but I know several who will hook me up. I'll be at Springfest in a couple weeks, may buy some there to mod and just swap mine when I get to it, also Clark's has them $10 each. Any advice on how much to shorten them?

Don Marlowe
66 Monza 2Dr 140/pg
64 Spyder convertible now, 110/pg
Eutawville SC

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: April 13, 2019 10:27AM

Look at Matt's thread here about new
adjustable quick arms.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 13, 2019 10:31AM

Fast Steering arms are like Oil!! Lots of opinions...

I cannot believe you haven't saved this pic???

And here's my Offering for what "I BELIEVE" are the greatest!! GGG

Adjustable Fast Arms




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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2019 10:34AM by MattNall.

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: April 13, 2019 08:39PM

Don, are you making "stock" fast arms, or shorter?

There are lots of aftermarket short arms that do not do everything well. Matt's adjustables seem better.

PGVair had stock regular arms cut and welded into factory length fast arms. PM him for what he went through. It involved making a jig to hold the angles of the tapers and distance correct while welding.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: moomba32 ()
Date: April 14, 2019 04:48AM

Thanks all, right now I'm leaning towards Matt's creation. I'll find out in May when I'm retiring, I put in for a retirement incentive package and they pick the date between July this year and 2021, almost everyone will be retired out this year though.

Don Marlowe
66 Monza 2Dr 140/pg
64 Spyder convertible now, 110/pg
Eutawville SC

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: rnch ()
Date: April 14, 2019 05:33AM

Please be advised that the "faster" the steering; the higher the steering effort becomes.

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 14, 2019 08:05AM

rnch Wrote:
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> Please be advised that the "faster" the steering;
> the higher the steering effort becomes.
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After some reviews come in... you may have to change that statement!

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: moomba32 ()
Date: April 14, 2019 08:33AM

rnch Wrote:
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> Please be advised that the "faster" the steering;
> the higher the steering effort becomes.

I hear lots of talk about steering effort with quick steering, now following the laws of physics I know it to be true, however my 66 has quick arms and the widest sticky tires that will fit my rims and I haven't noticed a significant difference between that car and my 64.

Don Marlowe
66 Monza 2Dr 140/pg
64 Spyder convertible now, 110/pg
Eutawville SC

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: momach ()
Date: April 14, 2019 08:57AM

There's a couple guys that will weld a set for you that have corrected geometry.
Bob Coffin and Michael LeVeque
Maybe someone would post a picture of these.

Steve , on the wet side of Washington State

one too many cars,(maybe)

multiple Corvairs.
1962 Buick Skylark
1967 Datsun 2000 roadster

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: rnch ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:25AM

MattNall Wrote:
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> rnch Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Please be advised that the "faster" the
> steering;
> > the higher the steering effort becomes.
> ==================================================
> =======
>
> After some reviews come in... you may have to
> change that statement!



Just been MY experiences.

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:26AM

Everyone's experience

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:07AM

momach Wrote:
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> There's a couple guys that will weld a set for you
> that have corrected geometry.
> Bob Coffin and Michael LeVeque
> Maybe someone would post a picture of these.



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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 14, 2019 12:01PM

moomba32 Wrote:
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> my 66 has quick arms and the widest sticky tires that will fit my rims
> and I haven't noticed a significant difference between that car and my 64.
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Please take a picture of each car... behind the front wheel of each car.


I thought my '66 had the Quick box and Factory Q-arms [ 417/ 418 ] turns out it has "What I believe" are IECO's!

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: moomba32 ()
Date: April 14, 2019 03:54PM

They are aftermarket quick arms, not factory, does the wheel scrub at full turn but I'm ok with that.

Don Marlowe
66 Monza 2Dr 140/pg
64 Spyder convertible now, 110/pg
Eutawville SC

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 14, 2019 04:12PM

If it scrubs at full lock.... think what it's doing everytime you round a corner..even though you cannot hear it..

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: Early Guy ()
Date: April 15, 2019 04:29PM

Also be advised cutting and re-welding causes another issue. The heat of the welding process causes changes in the metallurgy. I don't know the specifics but the welded arms should be heated in a furnace to a certain temp. to normalize the entire part. otherwise there could be hard or brittle weak spots, which could crack under stress. Very dangerous!!!!!


Ray Johnson Villa Park IL 63 Spyder Conv. 140 EFI

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Re: Fast steering arms for my 64
Posted by: moomba32 ()
Date: April 16, 2019 06:46PM

Early Guy Wrote:
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> Also be advised cutting and re-welding causes
> another issue. The heat of the welding process
> causes changes in the metallurgy. I don't know the
> specifics but the welded arms should be heated in
> a furnace to a certain temp. to normalize the
> entire part. otherwise there could be hard or
> brittle weak spots, which could crack under
> stress. Very dangerous!!!!!

Good point. I questioned my best welder, actually a nuclear grade welding instructor. He said the that with the type of steel and the size of the part that heat treatment wasn't necessary. The part will actually completely heat during the welding process and air cooling it is fine. He pointed out that you'll want to weld it without porosity, he has done them before, says he tigged the root and stick welded out a bevel to above the original size then ground everything smooth, he said if a rack were to start it'll begin at a sharp point, make everything smooth.

Don Marlowe
66 Monza 2Dr 140/pg
64 Spyder convertible now, 110/pg
Eutawville SC

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