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sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: March 13, 2019 02:17PM

Yeah,

So I got it all back together. New (year-appropriate) 66 YH Carb, FINALLY a proper PCV tube, etc.

I turned her over, and the sound that came out was music. Even finally idling proper.

And all that lasted barely a minute. The car just suddenly shut off--all the power gone. There isn't any spark--heck there isn't any anything. Nothing lights up when I turn the key backwards or forwards. I tried removing and re-attaching the battery, and there is no little "click" of active power anymore when I do. But I checked the battery for spark (snapped on some jumper cables and touched the ends briefly) and it is ok. There are also no blown fuses in the fuse box--a new box from Racers, Inc that I've had about a year.

So what is it?? I mean, it's obviously something electrical......but what?

I gotta say this litany of problems one after another after another is sorta souring me on this thing. I love Corvairs, but not this one, presently.

<b> Eric C. Player
Porterville, CA
<i>- National Member, CORSA
- Member: Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, and San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club</i>
THEN: 1967 Monza 110 Canary Yellow/1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red/
1965 Monza 110 Purple/1967 Monza 140 Red/1966 500 110 Black/1965 Monza 110 Camaro Yellow
NOW: 1966 Corsa 180 Turbo Coupe Blue. Blue/Beige interior.
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<br><font=+2><i>"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .' and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else." -- Daniel B. Davis</font></i></b>

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: March 13, 2019 02:27PM

Horrid Red Plastic Thing?
Power junction near battery. Follow the small cable from the battery to it.
Otherwise it is probably the main wiring harness connector in that same area.
Next ignition switch.

Joel
Northlake, TX
4 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: March 13, 2019 02:30PM

Thanks for the clues. Um.... how would I know if the power junction needs replacing? Guess I better get out my volt meter....

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: March 13, 2019 02:35PM

Visually look at the connector that has wires from battery and alternator to make sure the wires are secure and not damaged. Look at the main engine harness connector for melted plastic next to the big red wire. then check for voltage on each side of that connector on the big red wire.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: March 13, 2019 03:17PM

X2 on the H.R.P.T.!
Same symptoms as when mine had trouble.
Just pulled the wires off, cleaned them up and put back together.
Fires every time since.

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: March 13, 2019 04:47PM

So thanks, Joel!

It was the harness. I squeezed it--not even enough to see movement--and got my power back.

I suppose there's a $200 fix for that, right? Or is it $300?

<b> Eric C. Player
Porterville, CA
<i>- National Member, CORSA
- Member: Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, and San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club</i>
THEN: 1967 Monza 110 Canary Yellow/1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red/
1965 Monza 110 Purple/1967 Monza 140 Red/1966 500 110 Black/1965 Monza 110 Camaro Yellow
NOW: 1966 Corsa 180 Turbo Coupe Blue. Blue/Beige interior.
<br><a href="[static.wixstatic.com] src="[static.wixstatic.com] href="[static.wixstatic.com] src="[static.wixstatic.com];
<br><font=+2><i>"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .' and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else." -- Daniel B. Davis</font></i></b>

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: March 13, 2019 05:01PM

FREE FIX! Pull it apart and spray liberally with WD-40! Both side... and check for BURNT contacts..

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: TerribleTed ()
Date: March 13, 2019 05:45PM

Many people take both sides of the big red wire (main power to the entire car) out of both sides of the plug and slice them together bypassing the plug and its corrosion. The only drawback is that it is not easily unplugged if you need to take the plug apart for some reason during maintenance. The best solution is any corrosion in this plug is to replace the engine and main body wiring harnesses. The good thing about this is that you also (if you get the harnesses Clark's sells) gain brand new high quality tail and back up light plugs (part of the engine bay harness) and also eliminate any luring corrosion (and there usually is some) from the dash harness back.

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: March 13, 2019 06:02PM

If the connector shells are OK, you can get new pins for the connector at Clark's.

Part number C3964: CONNECTOR-65-69 FOR ENGINE MULTI-CONN SET/10 Just have the right tool to crimp them with.

[www.corvair.com]

This similar to the crimper I got. Paron JX-D4 Cable Wire Terminal Crimper Ratcheting Crimping Plier Tool Kit Set US $17.36/ea. You can find others that might fit your tastes and needs better.

[www.ebay.com]

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: March 13, 2019 07:47PM

Al, does that die crimp both the conductor to the terminal and the terminal to the insulation in one action?

The fancy name for these is open barrel crimps.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: March 13, 2019 10:25PM

Thanks again!

I believe I have some version of all those tools, except for the exact Clark's pins.

I'm just glad you helped me figure out what happened. That was unnerving. Especially after just having spent 4 months working on the heads.

Now all I have to do is isolate that clutch rattle.

<b> Eric C. Player
Porterville, CA
<i>- National Member, CORSA
- Member: Central Coast CORSA, South Coast CORSA, and San Joaquin Valley Corvair Club</i>
THEN: 1967 Monza 110 Canary Yellow/1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red/
1965 Monza 110 Purple/1967 Monza 140 Red/1966 500 110 Black/1965 Monza 110 Camaro Yellow
NOW: 1966 Corsa 180 Turbo Coupe Blue. Blue/Beige interior.
<br><a href="[static.wixstatic.com] src="[static.wixstatic.com] href="[static.wixstatic.com] src="[static.wixstatic.com];
<br><font=+2><i>"He cautioned me not to take notes. It would not have helped if I had, as he would start a paragraph with, 'It is therefore obvious. . .' and go on from there to matters which may have been obvious to him and God but to no one else." -- Daniel B. Davis</font></i></b>

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: March 14, 2019 03:53AM

Frank:

You remove the old pins and wires from the connector. Then try to open up the old terminal pin to get the wire out, if possible. Otherwise, you cut the pin off, strip the wire enough to crimp the pin on like any other terminal. Then insert the pin back into the connector, ensuring to orientate it in the same position as the rest on that row.

Photo shows pin removal tool. Get them on eBay for about $8. I mainly use the ones in the 12:00 to 3:00 area for Corvair connectors.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: March 14, 2019 08:02AM

So far the only non 100% stock item I have found on Gem is that junction.

It's on the list to go back to the dreaded red thing...but it works really good.

Unknown the exact piece or part number that it is but maybe Stig will chime in on it.

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: March 14, 2019 08:06AM

Okay Okay the battery isn't stock...but it's a good NAPA unit. smiling bouncing smileysmiling bouncing smileysmiling bouncing smiley

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: March 14, 2019 08:09AM

Phil:

Put in a circuit breaker to eliminate the red thing (and that device) and give you a safety device.

I have a used horrible red thing, if you can't find one on the west coast.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: March 14, 2019 08:50AM

The horrible red thing has been reproduced.

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Posted by: oldqmguy ()
Date: March 14, 2019 09:58AM

Here is my "Horrible Red Thingie!"

Dale cool smiley

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: March 14, 2019 10:48AM

Phil, that looks like the old plastic junction from an early 70s GM product.
That also brings back an old memory. In the early 70s the US Mail service had a whole fleet of Vegas. I went to the local Pick A Part in Monrovia Ca.around 1980 and they had probably 3 complete rows of all these Vegas. Every one was the same. Everyone had the mail emblems and painting. Everyone was complete (nobody wanted ANYTHING from these cars). I, not being greedy, picked up about 15 of those junctions leaving probably another 30 behind. I should have took them all! I still have a few and all my Corvairs are using them to this day with the exception of my all original cars.

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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: March 14, 2019 11:17AM

Pretty soon the Grumman LLV will be a dime a dozen.

Looks like enough room for Corvair power pack in back.


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Re: sad smiley NOW What the Double-Hockey-Sticks is happening?? angry smiley
Posted by: Willt65 ()
Date: March 14, 2019 11:18AM

Beautiful wiring harness redo in your picture!!

oldqmguy Wrote:
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> Here is my "Horrible Red Thing!"
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> Dale cool smiley

Will Teeter
Flintstone, MD
65 Corsa project

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