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3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: cschneider53 ()
Date: February 15, 2019 06:25PM

I enlisted the help of someone good with solidworks to make the Monza Cross for my door panels. I think it looks pretty darn close.



Anyone have suggestions on the best place and material for 3D printing?



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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: jimc ()
Date: February 15, 2019 08:39PM

Please try the corsa door panel crest next.

Jimc
1965 Corsa
HACOA Member


CORSA 2017 Concours Senior Gold Award
AACA 2015 Award

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: Freeman ()
Date: February 15, 2019 11:21PM

I have access to a utilimaker 2+ 3D printer that I could run a test on. I could print one and mail it to you for the cost of postage. If you're interested, PM me for my email address and I could probably have it ready to mail in a couple of days.

Freeman
Rowlett, TX
62 Monza "AirVair"


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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: February 16, 2019 06:17AM

I've been after Clark's to do this for years, as well as the Corsa and '65 Monza emblems, but to no avail. You know the old story, "doubt there'd be enough interest to pay for the tooling". But he duplicated the '65 'Brier front door emblem, so go figure.

-mark

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: February 16, 2019 07:13AM

66-69 front grill bars.
There aught to be enough market for those!
What tooling?


'29 Ford Model A Tudor
'61 700 Lakewood 110 4 speed
'69 Monza Convert. 140 Auto.
'70 Dodge Challenger R/T 440 4 speed

Been aircooled since 1973
Northwest Ohio

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: TerribleTed ()
Date: February 16, 2019 07:29AM

Wagon Master Wrote:
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> 66-69 front grill bars.
> There aught to be enough market for those!
> What tooling?

The mold for casting these cast pot metal parts. Can pot metal be 3d printed? Can that material then be chrome plated? How much would it cost to set it all up and make these parts? How much would you then have to charge per part to make some money and pay for the setup costs to manufacture the parts? How many would you expect to sell at that price? In the case of something like the front grille bar, I would bet that the equation would result in a sell price that is well above what most Corvair owners would pay for the part. I have seen people balk at NOS bars for sale for paltry sums like $300 each. I would bet that a repro grille bar would need to be priced even higher than $300 in order to recoup setup costs and make some money.

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Avid Corvair hobbiest since 1984.
I have personally performed ground up restoration on over 20 Corvairs.
I currently work full time at restoring and repairing Corvairs.
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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: cschneider53 ()
Date: February 16, 2019 08:03AM

I definitely would have considered the 66-69 grill bar but I was lucky enough to get a great nos one for a spendy but still reasonable sum. The size of the part renders it pretty much impossible to 3D print. The folks in China who did my wheel caps bug me all the time for more projects so maybe I could see about the grill bar. I have a feeling that the cost would be hundreds of dollars.

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: February 16, 2019 08:21AM

What material are you "additive manufacturing" (there's no such thing as "3D printing", in my book) them from? As the other guy asked, can you make them out of pot metal (per the originals)?

And since you have connections in china that want projects, why not let them have these door emblem projects?

-Mark

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: Caraholic4life ()
Date: February 16, 2019 08:39AM

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> Wagon Master Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------


> I have seen people balk at NOS bars for sale for
> paltry sums like $300 each.

I completely agree with this sentiment, many of us Corvair enthusiasts simply won't pay a fair price for parts we need.
For to many years, we have grown accustomed to getting parts for nothing, or next to nothing.
We as a collective group need to realize that we can no longer expect something for nothing and help support those who are willing to invest in providing us with parts for our vehicles.
This past summer I attended my first CORSA Convention since the Twin Cities Convention in 1977.
I attended the 2018 Philadelphia Convention. At that convention I saw a NOS 1965 Front Trim Bar / Emblem with an asking price well above $300.00 but below $400.00.
It was not perfect, but I bought it for the asking price with no attempt at negotiating as I realized that the chances of finding another one anytime soon was unlikely.
I have no regret at making the impulse decision to pay up for a part I didn't absolutely need to have.
The down side is that since then I have purchased several other NOS trim pieces for a car that was never intended to be anything but driver quality.
There is a chance that these NOS parts will not find their way onto the car for several years unless I make the decision to take it to the next level.
If I don't, someone else may have an opportunity to put them to use.
We have already seen Corvair specific vendors spend the money to reproduce parts they thought there was a need and/or demand for only to find that sales did not justify the expenditure.
Once the initial batch of parts was sold, additional batches were not made. In this scenario, everyone lost.
There are a few of these items that I would purchase today if they were available at any reasonable price.
An example would be a metal patch panel for under the front bumper on a late model Corvair (either full width or either side). This was at one time reproduced, but no longer available.
For my car, I just need enough to repair a small area on the driver's side but can't justify replacing the entire front panel with an NOS panel I already have.

1962 95 F.C. Van
1965 Monza Coupe
Westminster, Maryland

MID ENG enthusiast &
prior Kelmark owner.



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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: Freeman ()
Date: February 16, 2019 09:46AM

A 3D printed part gives you a piece that can be used to make a mold for casting the part out of aluminum. Not for the faint of heart but one the many ways of reproducing a part that no longer exist.

Freeman
Rowlett, TX
62 Monza "AirVair"


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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: February 16, 2019 10:02AM

Caraholic4life Wrote:
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> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wagon Master Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> > I have seen people balk at NOS bars for sale
> for
> > paltry sums like $300 each.
>
> I completely agree with this sentiment, many of us
> Corvair enthusiasts simply won't pay a fair price
> for parts we need.
> For to many years, we have grown accustomed to
> getting parts for nothing, or next to nothing.
> We as a collective group need to realize that we
> can no longer expect something for nothing and
> help support those who are willing to invest in
> providing us with parts for our vehicles.
> This past summer I attended my first CORSA
> Convention since the Twin Cities Convention in
> 1977.
> I attended the 2018 Philadelphia Convention. At
> that convention I saw a NOS 1965 Front Trim Bar /
> Emblem with an asking price well above $300.00
> but below $400.00.
> It was not perfect, but I bought it for the asking
> price with no attempt at negotiating as I realized
> that the chances of finding another one anytime
> soon was unlikely.
> I have no regret at making the impulse decision to
> pay up for a part I didn't absolutely need to
> have.
> The down side is that since then I have purchased
> several other NOS trim pieces for a car that was
> never intended to be anything but driver quality.
>
> There is a chance that these NOS parts will not
> find their way onto the car for several years
> unless I make the decision to take it to the next
> level.
> If I don't, someone else may have an opportunity
> to put them to use.
> We have already seen Corvair specific vendors
> spend the money to reproduce parts they thought
> there was a need and/or demand for only to find
> that sales did not justify the expenditure.
> Once the initial batch of parts was sold,
> additional batches were not made. In this
> scenario, everyone lost.
> There are a few of these items that I would
> purchase today if they were available at any
> reasonable price.
> An example would be a metal patch panel for under
> the front bumper on a late model Corvair (either
> full width or either side). This was at one time
> reproduced, but no longer available.
> For my car, I just need enough to repair a small
> area on the driver's side but can't justify
> replacing the entire front panel with an NOS panel
> I already have.

I'm not sure where I wrote that.....but ok. grinning smiley

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: cschneider53 ()
Date: February 16, 2019 12:51PM

A big issue with these sorts of projects is originality. It’s pretty much impossible to reproduce the part exactly to factory specs because the molds don’t exist and each mold had subtle differences. You can see from the render that while the model looks very close, it’s also way too perfect. The originals have mold flash all along the bottom. I’m not going to reproduce that.

There will be a group that won’t bite on these because they don’t exactly match NOS or factory parts. Then there’s licensing. I don’t know if GM holds trademarks or patents on the monza/Corsa names or designs. Licensing through GM is a real pain. I looked into it for my wheel caps. Ultimately I think that’s why the manufacturer of my wheels just didn’t have any interest.



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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: 19sixty5 ()
Date: February 16, 2019 08:46PM

I have a friend who had designed custom emblems to replace the "CORSA" emblems for my Crown car. The renderings look great, but the 3D printing process does not produce the "crispness" of the details. The results (in plastic initially) are not that smooth, and details are lost. An emblem that small really would need to be moulded I believe to produce the fine details. I had some printed by him at home as test pieces, and they ultimately were printed through Shapeways (shapeways.com) in a durable plastic. I tried a couple of spray chrome applicators, one was a disaster, but refunded the money, the other was better, but the overall finish was more of a bronze tint. I have another set that were done in a "polished nickel steel" from Shapeways, but the finish will need some work prior to an application of CosmicChrome, which apparently is the best spray chrome and guaranteed not to yellow. Needless to say, I have invested way too much money in these. I am a fan of 3D printing, but for something as small as the door panel emblem, I don't think you will have satisfactory results. My emblems are custom, so I didn't have to worry about the GM licensing. I also have heard that they are really a PITA when it comes to licensing. but... the products that are licensed by GM from what I've seen are all quality pieces.

65 Crown Hardtop

Huntsville, AL

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: Caraholic4life ()
Date: February 17, 2019 07:02AM

Wagon Master Wrote:
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> Caraholic4life Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------

> I'm not sure where I wrote that.....but ok. grinning smiley

Looking back at where I got it, I misinterpreted who said what and apologize for any issues this may have resulted in.

Actually I believe you posted:
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> 66-69 front grill bars.
> There aught to be enough market for those!
> What tooling?

And then Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: TerribleTed ()
Date: February 16, 2019 11:29AM

I have seen people balk at NOS bars for sale for paltry sums like $300 each. I would bet that a repro grille bar would need to be priced even higher than $300 in order to recoup setup costs and make some money.

Once again, my apologies for this.

1962 95 F.C. Van
1965 Monza Coupe
Westminster, Maryland

MID ENG enthusiast &
prior Kelmark owner.

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: February 17, 2019 07:41AM

Here is what Cal just sent me on this subject. I'm sure he won't mind me sharing it with everyone.

"We already have our quote for exact (better than original) door emblems, to be officially announced in the new catalog (2-3 months), also front grill bars for under $300."

So it looks like what you want is going to happen.

-Mark

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: cschneider53 ()
Date: February 17, 2019 08:58AM

67 airvair Wrote:
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> Here is what Cal just sent me on this subject. I'm
> sure he won't mind me sharing it with everyone.
>
> "We already have our quote for exact (better than
> original) door emblems, to be officially announced
> in the new catalog (2-3 months), also front grill
> bars for under $300."
>
> So it looks like what you want is going to
> happen.
>
> -Mark

That's awesome!! Since I'm only $35 into this project so far, no big loss for me. Mark, thanks so much for the info.

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: February 17, 2019 09:13AM



Perfect timing!
Right after I got done murdering mine out into stealth mode. O well, I kind of like the look.


'29 Ford Model A Tudor
'61 700 Lakewood 110 4 speed
'69 Monza Convert. 140 Auto.
'70 Dodge Challenger R/T 440 4 speed

Been aircooled since 1973
Northwest Ohio

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: jimc ()
Date: February 17, 2019 09:37AM

That is good news, both the grille and door panel, I look forward to availability.

Looks like I may have to sell that NOS 1965 lock cover I found.

Clarks repros are great quality.

Jimc
1965 Corsa
HACOA Member


CORSA 2017 Concours Senior Gold Award
AACA 2015 Award

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: February 17, 2019 02:29PM

Oh, just for sake of conversation, know when the Corsa interior door emblem was last available? You won't believe, but it was last available in 1968. It was dropped just TWO years after the cars were built! eye popping smiley

-Mark

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Re: 3D Printing Monza Door Panel Emblems
Posted by: John Luscinski ()
Date: February 17, 2019 04:29PM

I created a 500 monza emblem that I needed but then I found a NOS for sale

"Been there and done that! Well Not everything.smiling smiley
65 500 2dr Coupe
63 Greenbrier

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