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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 09, 2019 07:54PM

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1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 09, 2019 07:55PM

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1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: WalterElias ()
Date: February 09, 2019 08:01PM

Right behind the front wheels, running across the coach is a strengthening boxed section. Get a 2x6 and get it under this boxed in section and make sure it is tight up against the box using whatever to shim it. Normally, this is what you would do to support it on jack stands anyway. Once you have that in place, dig under the front a-arms enough to get a floor jack under each a-arm directly underneath the lower ball joints but put a board between the a-arm and the jack to protect the aluminum a-arm. Jack each side up evenly. As you go up. Reshim the 2x6 you placed earlier. Easy Peasy!!!

Dan Kling
1961 Greenbrier Deluxe, 110 HP, 4spd, 3.89 stump puller
1963 Spyder Coupe, restored, converted to 4spd Saginaw
1967 UltraVan #299, The migration has begun, we're on the road again......Save the Whales!

Photos of our Greenbrier, UltraVan and work-in-progress @

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 09, 2019 08:02PM

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1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 09, 2019 08:11PM

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1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 09, 2019 08:12PM

WalterElias Wrote:
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> Right behind the front wheels, running across the
> coach is a strengthening boxed section. Get a 2x6
> and get it under this boxed in section and make
> sure it is tight up against the box using whatever
> to shim it. Normally, this is what you would do
> to support it on jack stands anyway. Once you
> have that in place, dig under the front a-arms
> enough to get a floor jack under each a-arm
> directly underneath the lower ball joints but put
> a board between the a-arm and the jack to protect
> the aluminum a-arm. Jack each side up evenly. As
> you go up. Reshim the 2x6 you placed earlier.
> Easy Peasy!!!

Thank You!

1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 09, 2019 08:14PM

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1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: owen ()
Date: February 11, 2019 12:06PM

FWIW, I found that 3/4" ply worked better than 2x6 fir when jacking #500 on gravel. The jack sank into the boards deeper than into than the ply. Also, 2x6 is really too narrow, 2x8 would've been better.

It is true that people have damaged their UVs by jacking individual corners. It is also true that people have done it without any problems**. The point is not to fill your head with everything that can possibly go wrong, so that you end up having to do everything the hardest possible way. Rather, just be careful and pay attention. And if it starts looking like you have a problem back up and try a different tack.

Keep in mind you'll need to jack it high enough to fill in the ruts under the new wheels too!


**I do this all the time with #500. But #500 is gutted out and consequently very light, later coaches were built somewhat stronger than the earlies***, and I am reasonably careful not to take it to extremes.

***Later coaches have added reinforcing around the bottom of the door, used thicker plywood for the floors, and the fiberglass is thicker****.

****Which is why you sometimes see gelcoat cracks on the earlier coaches but never on the later ones.

Owen

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: WalterElias ()
Date: February 11, 2019 12:42PM

Hi Owen, The 2x6 seems wide enough to span the width of the box section... I wonder if the box section in wider on the 500 series?

Another thought for “Stiffneck” is to be very careful letting the suspension hang withe the tie rods connected as it is possible with some coaches to exceed the travel of the steering geometry and crack the idler, boomerang or tie rod ends.

Dan Kling
1961 Greenbrier Deluxe, 110 HP, 4spd, 3.89 stump puller
1963 Spyder Coupe, restored, converted to 4spd Saginaw
1967 UltraVan #299, The migration has begun, we're on the road again......Save the Whales!

Photos of our Greenbrier, UltraVan and work-in-progress @

[www.flickr.com]

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: owen ()
Date: February 11, 2019 12:51PM

I was talking about what to put underneath the jack so it won't sink into the dirt. I use 2x4 and 4x4 pieces between the jack and coach.

Good point about the tie rods. Tough to get a jack under the control arm when you're in the dirt though.

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: WalterElias ()
Date: February 11, 2019 08:14PM

Yes, I've been lucky that most of the times I've needed to lift UV 299, that it was on fairly level concrete or asphalt so no need to put something under the jack or jack stands. Knock on wood smiling smiley The front sits rather low compared to the back.

For the front, I lift just like I described. I have a couple of short floor jacks that slide under the a-arms with a small piece of wood on top. The 2x6 spans the width of the coach, just ahead of the fuel tank where the boxed section is. I have notches cut out of the leading edge to clear the rearward lower a-arm mounting brackets/bolts. The 2x6 allows for the load two jack stands to be spread out a bit.

In the rear, depending on what I need to do, I will either jack directly under the rear trailing a-arms where the axles go through or I jack directly under the two outboard vertical channels that form part the rear a-arm outboard attachment points. Most of the coaches I've been around and under have a piece of wood already attached at the bottom of the channel. The picture is of the rear showing the jack stands in place.

Dan Kling
1961 Greenbrier Deluxe, 110 HP, 4spd, 3.89 stump puller
1963 Spyder Coupe, restored, converted to 4spd Saginaw
1967 UltraVan #299, The migration has begun, we're on the road again......Save the Whales!

Photos of our Greenbrier, UltraVan and work-in-progress @

[www.flickr.com]

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 12, 2019 07:27AM

Nice work!


WalterElias Wrote:
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> Yes, I've been lucky that most of the times I've
> needed to lift UV 299, that it was on fairly level
> concrete or asphalt so no need to put something
> under the jack or jack stands. Knock on wood smiling smiley
> The front sits rather low compared to the back.
>
> For the front, I lift just like I described. I
> have a couple of short floor jacks that slide
> under the a-arms with a small piece of wood on
> top. The 2x6 spans the width of the coach, just
> ahead of the fuel tank where the boxed section is.
> I have notches cut out of the leading edge to
> clear the rearward lower a-arm mounting
> brackets/bolts. The 2x6 allows for the load two
> jack stands to be spread out a bit.
>
> In the rear, depending on what I need to do, I
> will either jack directly under the rear trailing
> a-arms where the axles go through or I jack
> directly under the two outboard vertical channels
> that form part the rear a-arm outboard attachment
> points. Most of the coaches I've been around and
> under have a piece of wood already attached at the
> bottom of the channel. The picture is of the rear
> showing the jack stands in place.

1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 12, 2019 07:35AM

We made some progress yesterday. We were able to get the Ultra jacked up safely and we now have four tires that are holding air. We were able to inspect the brakes and we found what appeared to be quite new looking pads ect. Front wheels are spinning nice and freely. Rear obviously have the emergency brake set. I think it should roll freely

Not that we would try and use those brake parts... we will be replacing 35+ year old parts. I do believe this is an indication of how the previous owner took care of the mechanics though.

I heard through a member of my corvair club the previous owner used to build cars and engines for the San diego corvair club.

1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 12, 2019 07:39AM

Really really shocked the tires that seem to be filled with gaping holes are holding air for now.

Good enough to get it moved up on a flatbed and headed for home!

1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 12, 2019 07:55AM

Excellent! Some of those old bias play tires hold up amazingly well.

Joel
Northlake, TX
4 Ultravans, Lost count at 100 Corvairs...

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: February 12, 2019 08:07AM

stiffneck Wrote:
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> Really really shocked the tires that seem to be
> filled with gaping holes are holding air for now.
>
> Good enough to get it moved up on a flatbed and
> headed for home!


Apparently one of them did not.
That appears to be the spare. winking smiley

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'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 12, 2019 08:07AM

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1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 12, 2019 08:11AM

American Mel Wrote:
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> stiffneck Wrote:
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> -----
> > Really really shocked the tires that seem to be
> > filled with gaping holes are holding air for
> now.
> >
> > Good enough to get it moved up on a flatbed and
> > headed for home!
>
>
> Apparently one of them did not.
> That appears to be the spare. winking smiley


Actually I did use the spare! But 2 of the old tires that looked way way gone.... are currently holding air!

I had a nice Ultra guy named Pat up in Long Beach offer me four wheels and tires for free for the Ultra if I came and got them.

I decided to try and make it work here. haha. I needed one more tire and I was resting against the spare and it HIT ME.

Use. The. spare.

1963 VW Ragtop Bug 40hp
1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Posted by: stiffneck ()
Date: February 12, 2019 08:52AM

Maybe the oil got changed on a regular basis!

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1964 Corvair 900 Vert 140hp
1966 Corvair 4-door 110hp

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Re: Ultravan #268
Date: February 15, 2019 05:27AM

Asbestos? Its whats for dinner.

I'll take a can of Pennzoil if you have extra. winking smiley

1961 Corvair 700 Sedan - 3sp - Gasoline Heat - Lowered a bit - Rust in Progress
I live my life 19.5 seconds at a time.


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