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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: streblerm ()
Date: January 03, 2019 04:53PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> 79 Seville was not unibody.

Yes the Seville was a unibody from 1976-1980. It was closer to a nova than a sedan deville. It was meant to compete with the smaller, sportier European cars.

It is interesting to try and figure out what exactly they cut. The hood looks to be fiberglass and the header panel has been extended. I hesitate to say it’s not the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen. That was the first of the square body cars of the ‘80s and one of the squarest. I have a bit of a soft spot for them.

A little sharper in a short convertible:


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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: January 03, 2019 06:44PM

Caraholic4life Wrote:
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> Mel,
> IF you ever find yourself at the RV/MH Hall of
> Fame in Indiana [www.rvmhhalloffame.org],
> you need to look at their Cadillac motor home on
> display. It is the second of two built.
> I saw it back on July 20, 2016.


While very, UHhhh, "different," I would drive the Caddy Motorhome down a public road in broad daylight, before I would drive that monstrous abortion called an Opera Coupe on a deserted road at night!

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza - 140 4-spd. driver

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: January 04, 2019 03:31AM

A little personal side note. When I started working for GM as an apprentice diemaker, the very first job I had was working on one of the dies that stamped the inner roof panel for this very car. It was a solid steel panel, but pierced with row after row of "T" shaped holes. The holes were designed so that the headliner would "clip" into the "T" slots in this panel.

And yes, it was related to the Chevy Nova, as it was designated to be built off that platform.

-Mark

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: January 04, 2019 03:48AM

Actually, I find the first gen Seville to be a pleasant looking car, for that era in Cadillac styling. The rear end and taillights in particular is very nice looking. i wouldn't be embarrassed at all to have one in my drive.

It certainly beats the Cimarron by a mile.

-Mark

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: January 04, 2019 06:25AM

I like the 1st gen also but the 2nd gen was terrible.

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: streblerm ()
Date: January 06, 2019 04:38AM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> I like the 1st gen also but the 2nd gen was
> terrible.


I agree agree with both of these statements. The Seville predicted the general body style for at least the next ten years until the Ford Taurus came out in 1986.

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: January 06, 2019 05:09AM

I remember seeing preview pictures of the Taurus in Motor Trend or Car and Driver.

I thought the Taurus and the Caprice both looked like spaceships...especially the wagons.

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: January 06, 2019 05:17AM

Oh gees...don't get me started on something different again.

Just when I had calmed down and I've been focusing on the racecar.


[bakersfield.craigslist.org]

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: CorvairGeek ()
Date: January 06, 2019 06:45AM

Square Caprices' rock, but I'm not so sure about about a '90 with an Olds 307.

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Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: January 06, 2019 07:03AM

I'm figuring it to be a 350V8/350TH with a 10/12 bolt axle...Oldsmobile engine?

Although as long as it runs and drives with working A/C...wouldn't care about motor.

LS would be a bad idea on a smog car in California...it needs that air pump stuff to pass.

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: January 06, 2019 07:16AM

From the Caprice Wikipedia page...3rd generation 1977-90.

Station wagons built after approximately November 1, 1985 came equipped with the Oldsmobile-built 307 cu in engine. After this point, the 305 cu in was no longer available in station wagons. This engine was used in all GM B-body station wagons from this point on to simplify production. The 307 cu in was equipped with a four-barrel carburetor and was rated at 140 hp (104 kW) and 255 lb⋅ft (346 N⋅m)

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: CorvairGeek ()
Date: January 06, 2019 07:25AM

Phil Dally Wrote:
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> From the Caprice Wikipedia page...3rd generation
> 1977-90.
>
> Station wagons built after approximately November
> 1, 1985 came equipped with the Oldsmobile-built
> 307 cu in engine. After this point, the 305 cu in
> was no longer available in station wagons. This
> engine was used in all GM B-body station wagons
> from this point on to simplify production. The 307
> cu in was equipped with a four-barrel carburetor
> and was rated at 140 hp (104 kW) and 255 lb⋅ft
> (346 N⋅m)

Yep, and all 200R4s too.

I've always wondered the story behind these, but I assume it was to provide a source/reason for continued production of the 5.0 / 307 VIN code Y engine.
Otherwise, after the 1985 model year, its only application would have been Cadillac Brougham and Olds / Buick B-wagons (no Olds / Buick B-sedans after '85).

The early 1986 Caprice literature mentions the code Y V8 becomes standard mid-year in wagons, with no other explanation.



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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: January 06, 2019 08:10AM

Hmmmmmmmmmm an O/D Trannsmission.

I e-mailed the seller...we shall see.

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Posted by: CorvairGeek ()
Date: January 06, 2019 08:18AM

The 200R4 is an overdrive. They were supposed to be reasonably reliable in stock form in later production. Some are even have dual pattern (BOP and Chevy) bellhousings. I beleive these late wagons even had a 5000 pound tow rating!
The B-wagons at least all had the 11" rear drums with the 10 bolt, 8.5 inch ring gear differential.

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: January 06, 2019 09:16AM

Talked to the seller...you get to be 100% correct Geek.

More pictures coming and this one is only fifty miles away.

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: January 06, 2019 09:24AM

Right, the later square body Caprices did not have the Chevy 350. You had to wait for 1992 to get the 350 in a wagon as an option. And then in 1994 it all changed, as the standard wagon engine became the LT1!

For a tow car, get 1994 to 1996 GM full sized wagon, you will not be sad!

Back to the original post, the proportions are very wrong on that car. Sure, even with proper proportions it wold appeal to few buyers, but at least it would look good to someone!grinning smiley

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: CorvairGeek ()
Date: January 06, 2019 01:07PM

Frank DuVal Wrote:
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>
> Back to the original post, the proportions are
> very wrong on that car. Sure, even with proper
> proportions it wold appeal to few buyers, but at
> least it would look good to someone!grinning smiley

I kind of like the Seville convertible, but the dimensions are off because of the short doors.
Terrible chassis to make a convertible. I wonder how they strengthened it, if they did?

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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: streblerm ()
Date: January 06, 2019 01:26PM

The nice thing about the 307 or the 350 olds in the Seville is that it shares the same lower engine mounts as an olds 455. The alternator and a/c brackets need a little stretching but it’s more or less a bolt in.

I had a 1980 olds 88 coupe with a high compression 455 in it and it would scoot for a boat. I embarrassed quite a few mustangs and camaros at the time. Of course any mustang or camaro would smoke it today.

I don’t think the proportions of the coach Seville are that bad. The convertible kind of reminds me the of a Detroit iron version of a similar vintage 500sl



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Re: OT, another- Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. hot smiley
Posted by: Setterz54 ()
Date: January 07, 2019 05:27AM

If you put it back to a regular seville without all the ugly garbage on it might be a nice car,but the way it is they have ruined it.

Setterz54
Fulton,MD.

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