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Stoplight Gran Prix winner??.... "Turbo Otter"
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 07, 2018 11:49AM

In my quest for Fast and Cheap....and to show those who want to beat their buddies in Hondas...how to stay closer......

I'm going to turbocharge my '67 110 / PG!

I'm going for Boost in Neutral!

No more than 3-5 psi

How??

Small turbo... with internal BYPASS / wastegate... blow thru....

In my quest to keep HEAT out of the Fan Air Inlet

Mount it where the Muffler usually is..

Gets easier... Sanman1st /Ed has his nice FC single pipe... which angles out compared to the Passenger car model...puurrrrfect





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Sea Mountain, between Charleston Harbor and Coos Bay! SW Oregon Coast
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..............................110-PG.................................................Webered-Turbo




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2019 05:48PM by MattNall.

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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 07, 2018 12:11PM

Turbo is a Borg Warner unit used on 1.8L Audi's under $100 on ebay Almost infinitely Clockable

New Cartridge is $70... takes 30 minutes to change.

Rated for 220 hp on 1.8L engines

Factory Boost limit is 12 psi

New Actuator $19 so I bought one to modify into an Adjustable unit

Electronic Actuator unit is $90

No brainer to me!

BUT time will tell how it works at Highway "Cruise" [ stay out of boost! ].

Description

100% Brand New
Capable of boosting horse power up to 220 HP
High quality material, cast housing with durable steel
3 bolt exhaust flange
3 bolt downpipe flange pattern​

Compressor:
Trim: 46
M24 / T4 Compressor Housing
Exducer Diameter: 48.9mm
Inducer Diameter: 33mm
Inlet: 1.5"
Turbine:
Trim: 86
Outlet: 2.5"







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..............................110-PG.................................................Webered-Turbo




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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: chris ()
Date: December 07, 2018 12:20PM

Matt, I'm 100% with you. I have an old Mitsubishi TE04H from an 80's Chrysler. Are you going to use a scavenge pump?

'65 Monza 4 door
4 speed
110hp
Gardner, KS

Heart of America Corvair Owners Association

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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 07, 2018 12:26PM

Nope... Drain is able to run to valve cover downhill all the way!





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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: Kyle_in_Mich ()
Date: December 07, 2018 01:03PM

I'm interested. Sounds fun. Are you blowing through the stock Rochesters?

CORSA Member
Traverse City,MI
Daily driver- Bicycle
Fun driver/project- 65 Corsa 140/4 speed

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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: Chi2 ()
Date: December 07, 2018 01:25PM

GET AFTER IT MATT!! Can't wait to see your progress. Let me ask one question: if you mount the turbo below the motor, will the increased distance from the carb increase lag, sort of defeating your goal of quick power?

The people of Coos Bay may not like your science project..it used to be a peaceful town until you started spinning up your turbo.. lol

Jon
Enrolled in the Culver City Automotive School of Hard Knocks
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Member of South Coast Corsa
-1964 Greenbrier "The Dog Hauler" Rustoleum Charmer 110hp/4sp/.030 over/Pertronics I/Isky 270 Cam
-1962 Monza Club Coupe "Shaken, not stirred" Tuxedo Black with Red Interior 140hp/4sp/Pertronics I/Clark's 260 Cam

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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: chris ()
Date: December 07, 2018 01:43PM

MattNall Wrote:
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> Nope... Drain is able to run to valve cover
> downhill all the way!

Okay, so you're staying under the shroud but high enough to gravity drain to the valve cover (at least that's what I'm envisioning)?

Jon, I wouldn't think (I've been wrong before though!) being down there would cause a huge difference in the lag as he's going blow through and the turbo is a fairly small unit. I like it!

'65 Monza 4 door
4 speed
110hp
Gardner, KS

Heart of America Corvair Owners Association

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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 07, 2018 01:46PM

This Trim should overcome / reduce inlet vacuum at idle... so no lag!





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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: srt ()
Date: December 07, 2018 09:32PM

thumbs upthumbs up

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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: Aaron65 ()
Date: December 08, 2018 05:15AM

Are you worried about detonation? Maybe you could introduce a water injection system or something. Are you going to modify the power circuit of the carb. to introduce more fuel? Seems like I have a lot of questions... smiling smiley

1965 Corvair Monza Convertible 95 4-sp.
1965 Buick Skylark
1965 Ford Mustang
1965 Dodge Dart 170 Wagon
1953 Buick Special Riviera
1963 Ford Thunderbird
1974 Pontiac Firebird Esprit

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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Date: December 08, 2018 06:19AM

Matt, you're speaking my language now (fast and cheap). The new subarus mount their turbos low in the front, like a stone guard for the oilpan. Wish you lived closed, id be more than happy to help.

1961 Corvair 700 Sedan - 3sp - Gasoline Heat - Lowered a bit - Rust in Progress
I live my life 19.5 seconds at a time.


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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 08, 2018 08:02AM

Aaron65 Wrote:
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> Are you worried about detonation? Maybe you could
> introduce a water injection system or something.
> Are you going to modify the power circuit of the
> carb. to introduce more fuel? Seems like I have a
> lot of questions... smiling smiley
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Always concerned... but not worried! I know how to control it. GG

Most likely just a higher pressure pump and a regulator referenced to boost pressures.





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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: December 08, 2018 10:29AM

Matt, I'm having a hard time visualizing how you could get them to drain when below the shrouds. I guess those are really tiny turbos.
Are any turbos capable of using oil that doesn't gravity drain? In other words let the oil return from the pressure?

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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Date: December 08, 2018 12:09PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> Matt, I'm having a hard time visualizing how you
> could get them to drain when below the shrouds. I
> guess those are really tiny turbos.
> Are any turbos capable of using oil that doesn't
> gravity drain? In other words let the oil return
> from the pressure?


Thats why i mentioned the newer subarus. I haven't looked into it, but they're very low.

1961 Corvair 700 Sedan - 3sp - Gasoline Heat - Lowered a bit - Rust in Progress
I live my life 19.5 seconds at a time.


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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 08, 2018 12:22PM

Joel, I'll post a pic as soon as I mount to the pipe.. pic next to soda can tells you how small it is.... but it is heavy!





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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 08, 2018 12:28PM

Great few hrs. in the shop today.. and last night on ebay..

Found the 3 gaskets I need... $7 do not need a whole set..

Normal 2-1/2" Header flange fits.. $10

Got out the Mighty Vac and was able to just adjust preload on wastegate actuator to get it down from 12 to 5 psi opening...cancelled order on spare Actuator...-$19

Cut out the weird 3 bolt pattern exh. inlet flange... pays to save small chunks of old metal! but my labor at $75@hr. adds up! LOL!





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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Date: December 10, 2018 05:34AM

Send pics!

1961 Corvair 700 Sedan - 3sp - Gasoline Heat - Lowered a bit - Rust in Progress
I live my life 19.5 seconds at a time.


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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Date: December 10, 2018 05:41AM





Here are pictures of the WRX setup that I mentioned.

Then there's always the STS systems that make me cringe.



These use scavenge pumps I'm pretty sure.

1961 Corvair 700 Sedan - 3sp - Gasoline Heat - Lowered a bit - Rust in Progress
I live my life 19.5 seconds at a time.


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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 10, 2018 07:51AM

I was hoping it was mounted vertical!! ggg





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Re: Stoplight Gran Prix winner??
Posted by: sweet66monza ()
Date: December 10, 2018 06:15PM

I'm anxious to see how this goes. You are taking my two least favorite corvair concepts (automatic and turbo) and making something cool. Videos please!

I'm still interested in the car...even if you blow it up. Ggggg

Cody Hurley
North Idaho (Post Falls)
66 Monza convertible 140/PG, loaded with factory options
66 Corsa factory turbo coupe, 3rd owner fully documented [corvaircenter.com]
65 Monza coupe daily driver 110/4
Also 2 Ford f350 IDI diesels, seven Jeep FC 170s, 1966 Jeep CJ5A, 03 neon, 4 Rokon Trailbreakers, 3 vintage Honda 50cc minibikes, 4 Honda xr350s, and thousands of parts


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