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Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: December 06, 2018 06:52AM

Was there a seperate option for Metallic brakes in 65, 66 or 67-69 or were they part of the HS Suspension option?

If so, what was the option code (ie F41 was 1966 HS suspension and N44 was 1966 quick ratio steering)?

What was the option for HD suspension in 65?

I looked through my notes and can't seem to find anything on factory Metallic brake option other then 62-64.

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
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Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: December 06, 2018 07:53AM

I think they stopped the metallic after 64 because the 65 brakes were larger and had plenty of stopping power without using metallic. I heard some guys bought the pucks (meant for fleet cars) and made their own.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
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2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: texas yenko dude ()
Date: December 06, 2018 08:11AM

The Stingers came with them via special order. They were an option on the 67 Camaro (with drum brakes) and the Camaro brakes are opposite the Corvair (meaning the Camaro fronts are 2.5" wide and the Camaro rears are 2" wide). So, most of the 2.5" wide Camaro brake shoes do not have the provision for the parking brake cable.

FYI: I'm looking for more of these unicorns if anyone has some laying around.

Texas YENKO Dude
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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 06, 2018 08:39AM

Sold my last ones several years ago... to a racer..





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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: December 06, 2018 05:14PM

texas yenko dude Wrote:
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> The Stingers came with them via special order.
> They were an option on the 67 Camaro (with drum
> brakes) and the Camaro brakes are opposite the
> Corvair (meaning the Camaro fronts are 2.5" wide
> and the Camaro rears are 2" wide). So, most of
> the 2.5" wide Camaro brake shoes do not have the
> provision for the parking brake cable.
>
> FYI: I'm looking for more of these unicorns if
> anyone has some laying around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

There are other options out there as far as shoe material that works very well under racing conditions.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

Vairmech@aol.com

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: December 06, 2018 05:33PM

The Metallics that the Corvair racers used in 65-66 were the ones from the 64-65-66 Chevelle. Swapped front to rear. No discs on Chevelles until 1967.

Seth Emerson

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: December 07, 2018 06:06AM

Ken, what are the alternatives to the metallic shoes? I have not found anything that would stand up to performance braking.

Bob Vinnacombe
Sandy, Oregon
1965 Corsa 140 stock
1966 Monza Soon to be race car
1968 Monza Parts for now

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: v8vair ()
Date: December 07, 2018 06:34AM

Back in the 80s McIntosh (430 Buick Crown V8 Racer) was working for London Taxi here in Atlanta. The Cabbies were burning up brake shoes as fast as they could replace them so McIntosh emptied the warehouses of all the GM metallics. I remember seeing stacks of brake boxes at least 250 or more. So thats were all the fronts for a Corvair went sad smiley Mike

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: caroseiii ()
Date: December 07, 2018 10:23AM

If there was a Group 3 code for later Corvairs, it would be the same option code as all the other four drum metallic cars made by Chevrolet, RPO J65. The vehicle information kits do not show a J65 option for Corvairs after 1963. For 1965 and later, these same brake parts were available over the counter by buying the Chevy II, Chevelle and Camaro items and swapping front to rear. See part nos. 3845291 and 3830635.

Crawford Rose

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: Jim Stukenborg ()
Date: December 07, 2018 12:34PM

The GM plant (Delco-Moraine division) that made them here in Dayton, Ohio no longer exists. I believe all the tooling was scrapped. I'll ask around to see if anyone remembers the material formula and the process. Maybe someone can reproduce the lining pucks. Welding them to the shoes would not be a big deal. Jim

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: caroseiii ()
Date: December 09, 2018 05:20AM

Jim, that would interesting to see. The Corvette sets are very costly and would probably be reproduced if someone sources the pucks.
Crawford Rose

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: v8vair ()
Date: December 09, 2018 06:34AM

I have a set of Carbo Techs custom Metalic linings for the 64 Racer. The Guy at Carbo says these linings are superior to the old GM. I know the Chrome Bumper Vintage Nascar Guys use them and they have no Problem slowing Down those 4000 lb sleds. Ken Hand uses them on his Stinger racer on all 4 corners and has no issues. As soon as i get the 64 out i can give some feedback. Mike

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: Jim Stukenborg ()
Date: December 13, 2018 04:20PM

I talked to someone who had experience with the GM sintered linings at Delco Moraine. Did not learn much. He remembers that there were about ten ingredients to the formulation with powdered iron being the main ingredient, a little lead powder, and the rest is unknown. Compressed at high pressure and sintered at 1700 degrees F. Haven't found any other hard data on formulation or exact processing. Jim

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: December 14, 2018 04:25AM

v8vair Wrote:
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> I have a set of Carbo Techs custom Metalic linings
> for the 64 Racer. The Guy at Carbo says these
> linings are superior to the old GM. I know the
> Chrome Bumper Vintage Nascar Guys use them and
> they have no Problem slowing Down those 4000 lb
> sleds. Ken Hand uses them on his Stinger racer on
> all 4 corners and has no issues. As soon as i get
> the 64 out i can give some feedback. Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes, I have the CarboTechs at all 4 corners! As Mike knows We just came back from VIR in Sept., a track with a LOT of high speed braking! My brake shoes NEVER failed to stop me even though I over heated them once on Sat. I warped a drum and needs to be changed but I raced it all weekend with no brake issues. What I use is a viable alternative to the GM metalics. I have also raced the GM metalics so I feel qualified to compare.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

Vairmech@aol.com

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: Jim Stukenborg ()
Date: December 16, 2018 03:42PM

Ken, I checked the Carbotech website. No mention of drum brake metallic linings. Where do you get yours? Jim

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: December 16, 2018 03:46PM

Try this..you may have to put in the year.
9" Chevelle rear for Corvair Front
9" Chevelle Front for Corvair Rear


Link to 66 Chevelle Carbo Tech Brake shoes

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd



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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: December 16, 2018 05:16PM

Jim Stukenborg Wrote:
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> Ken, I checked the Carbotech website. No mention
> of drum brake metallic linings. Where do you get
> yours? Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You have to call the Ohio office and talk to them there. The main office doesn't know anything about the race shoes, what they offer for street shoes are not the same.

I can't really say the Carbotech are metallic like old GM or Velva Touch shoes. They are some kind of metallic and all I can tell you is they work as good if not better than the GM metallics, like I said I have raced with the GM metallics.

If anyone has issues getting information email me for the information.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

Vairmech@aol.com

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: fred bagnall ()
Date: December 16, 2018 06:20PM

Does anyone happen to know what full size Chevy application might cross over to our FCs ? I drive my van quite often and wouldn't mind some extra stopping power.


64 Greenbrier std -110, 4spd,barn find on the road again after 46 year hiatus.
66 Turbo Corsa, 180hp,posi-trac, quick steering HD suspension,AM-FM-multiplex,soft-Ray glass all around
Floridian currently residing in Nor Cal

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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 16, 2018 06:31PM

fred bagnall Wrote:
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> Does anyone happen to know what full size Chevy
> application might cross over to our FCs ? I drive
> my van quite often and wouldn't mind some extra
> stopping power.

CHEVROLET 3B 1959
CHEVROLET BEL AIR 1951-1970
CHEVROLET BISCAYNE 1958-1970
CHEVROLET BROOKWOOD 1958-1970
CHEVROLET C10 PANEL 1960-1964
CHEVROLET C10 PICKUP 1960-1964
CHEVROLET CAPRICE 1966-1970
CHEVROLET CHEVELLE 1965-1966
CHEVROLET CORVAIR TRUCK 1961-1964
CHEVROLET CORVETTE 1953-1966
CHEVROLET DEL RAY 1957-1958
CHEVROLET EL CAMINO 1959-1965
CHEVROLET FLEETLINE 1951-1952
CHEVROLET G20 1967-1969
CHEVROLET IMPALA 1958-1970
CHEVROLET K10 PICKUP 1961-1970
CHEVROLET K10 SUBURBAN 1968-1970
CHEVROLET KINGSWOOD 1969-1970
CHEVROLET NOMAD 1955-1961
CHEVROLET ONE-FIFTY SERIES 1953-1957
CHEVROLET P10 1968-1970
CHEVROLET P10 SERIES 1960-1967
CHEVROLET PARKWOOD 1959-1961
CHEVROLET STYLELINE DELUXE 1951-1952
CHEVROLET STYLELINE SPECIAL 1951-1952
CHEVROLET SUBURBAN 1960-1966
CHEVROLET TOWNSMAN 1969-1970
CHEVROLET TRUCK 1955-1958
CHEVROLET TWO-TEN SERIES 1953-1957
CHEVROLET YEOMAN 1958
EDSEL CITATION 1958
EDSEL CORSAIR 1958-1959
EDSEL PACER 1958
EDSEL RANGER 1958-1959
EDSEL VILLAGER 1959
FORD COUNTRY SQUIRE 1959
FORD F-100 1953-1967
FORD F-250 1953-1955
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FORD F1 1948-1952
FORD F2 1948-1952
FORD F3 1948-1952
FORD F4 1948-1952
FORD GALAXIE 1959
FORD P-100 1961-1967
FORD PARK LANE WAGON 1956
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GMC 1000 1966
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GMC K1000 PICKUP 1966
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GMC P15/P1500 VAN 1967-1970
GMC PB1000 SERIES 1961-1966
GMC PB1500 SERIES 1963-1965
GMC SUBURBAN 1960-1965
GMC TRUCK 1951-1960
HUDSON HORNET 1955-1957
HUDSON HORNET SPECIAL 1956
INTERNATIONAL 1100A 1966
INTERNATIONAL 1100B 1967
INTERNATIONAL 1100C 1968
INTERNATIONAL 900A 1966
INTERNATIONAL M SERIES VAN 1962-1964
INTERNATIONAL M800 NAVY 1969
JEEP CJ5 1974-1978
JEEP CJ6 1974-1975
JEEP CJ7 1976-1978
JEEP COMMANDO 1967-1973
JEEP DJ5 1972-1981
JEEP GLADIATOR 1967-1969
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JEEP J-2500 1967-1973
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PONTIAC CATALINA 1959-1964
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PONTIAC LAURENTIAN 1959-1964
PONTIAC STAR CHIEF 1959-1964
PONTIAC STRATO-CHIEF 1959-1964
PONTIAC VENTURA 1961
STUDEBAKER TRUCK 1958-1959





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Re: Late model Metallic brake question?
Posted by: fred bagnall ()
Date: December 16, 2018 07:35PM

How does the saying go ? "Ask and you shall receive ". Thanks Matt !!


64 Greenbrier std -110, 4spd,barn find on the road again after 46 year hiatus.
66 Turbo Corsa, 180hp,posi-trac, quick steering HD suspension,AM-FM-multiplex,soft-Ray glass all around
Floridian currently residing in Nor Cal

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