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1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: November 29, 2018 12:23PM

So, in theory, there were around 224 or 225 possible Yenko Stingers modified by Don Yenko or built from Yenko supplied Race kits... consisting of 126 COPO Stingers and 98 Stinger Tag kits distributed for SCCA racing.

It is hard to believe how important a small 1 ¾ x ¾ inch piece of 18 gauge stamped aluminum would become in regards to the Corvair Yenko Stinger legacy. From 1966 to the 80’s the YS tag had a purpose, as it was required by the SCCA to race a 1965–1969 Corvair Coupe in D–Production class. Once the SCCA lifted this requirement, the YS tag became less significant until a recent spike in desire and cost to own a Yenko Sportcar.

There was a presumed total of 401 Yenko Stinger aluminum YS tags ordered by Don Yenko across multiple orders. Tag sequences YS001-200, 300-399, & 400-500, with sequence 201-299 apparently skipped for some unknown reason or at least unaccounted for. At some point in time, all the remaining tags ended being stored on a large ring to keep them organized prior to being attached to a car. According to individuals who have seen the ring of tags firsthand, tags YS-321-YS324 as well as YS326 and higher are still on the ring and uncirculated. The ring of tags exits but has been generally kept from the public by the individual who has it in their possession.

Currently, YS-325 is the last known (to me) YS tag issued as a kit. Based on this info, we can roughly calculate the number of Stingers that “should” exist. Previously YS-320 was the last tag thought to have been assigned but YS325 recently surfaced, leaving YS321-YS324 in limbo and presumed still on the ring until proven otherwise.


In order keep track of the info, I’ll break down the information into 3 groupings.

GROUP 1 = Tags YS-001 through YS-106
106 TAGS, possible 107 cars
1 Prototype Stinger made before the COPO order, most likely tagged after the fact and could account for YS105 being a COPO body.
100 COPO 66 Corsa’s ordered
1 (COPO bodies assigned a tag higher than 100, YS-105)
1 66 Corvair modified and assigned YS-101
2 Canadian 66 coupes assigned tags (103 & 104)
2 tags not known to be attached to cars (102 & 106)


GROUP 2 = Tags YS-107 through YS-132
(25 1967 COPO cars, 14 built and assigned to cars and 11 left as tags)
25 TAGS
YS-107 to YS-120 tagged on COPC 67 Monzas
YS-121 to YS-131 just tags to assign to cars for SCCA racing purposes.


GROUP 3 = Build a Racecar tag kits to meet SCCA Regulations, kit was either just a plain tag, or tag, sail panels, decals, and deck lid depending on what the individual needed to complete car as a Stinger to meet SCCA regulations.

91 Tag kits distributed for SCCA built racecars or to be used for that application.
YS-132 to YS-200 tag kits to assign to cars for SCCA, some assigned to cars, some just tag kits
YS-300 to YS-320 tag kits to assign to cars for SCCA, some assigned to cars, some just tag kits
YS-325 tag kit to assign to cars for SCCA, currently assigned to a car

1 1968 Stinger advertised by Yenko (unknown if tagged or what series tag possibly used)
1 1969 COPO Stinger, not tagged with any YS tag but well documented as ordered by Goodyear.

Currently the tags listed below are unaccounted for in regards to a having a current owner or recent verification as still being in existence. These YS Tags fall into the "Missing Tag List"... there are currently around 82 “missing” or tag destroyed Yenko Stingers or tag kits.

Here is a list of tags currently unaccounted for or as having no recent history of ownership or location.

YS006, YS011, YS013, YS014, YS026, YS034, YS051, YS053, YS061, YS064 – Destroyed in fire, YS078, YS079, YS080, YS083, YS090, YS094, YS110, YS111, YS112, YS123 & 124, YS126 to YS131, YS135 to YS141, YS143 to YS147, YS149, YS151 to YS159, YS161 to YS163, YS165 to YS171, YS173 to YS182, YS184, YS185, YS187 to YS190, YS192 to YS198, YS321 to YS324.


Presumed unassigned and on the master tag ring
326 to 400 - Presumed unassigned and on the master tag ring
401 to 500 - Presumed unassigned and on the master tag ring

Do you have or know of the where about of any of these YS COPO cars or YS tags?

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd



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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: November 29, 2018 03:37PM

I do know that my car and tag has a sort of unique history and was only a tag purchase! YS-318

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

Vairmech@aol.com

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: November 29, 2018 08:18PM

The little metal tag is also important in SCCA Solo today, if you want to run in ESP, instead of FSP....and the tag allows 'Yenko stuff' in ESP, like no backseat, fiberglass engine lid, etc, without putting you in a Prepared class.


Eric P.
DeWitt, IA

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: krfjkm ()
Date: November 29, 2018 08:54PM

Great information— Thanks for pulling it together.

KRFJKM
Charlotte NC
1965 Corvair Corsa

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: solo2r ()
Date: November 29, 2018 09:06PM

Eric, Yup! Was in ESP and beating up on the Camaros and Mustangs until they omitted two words in the next years rules. "and Corvairs"

I would like to think it was because of my car they changed it!

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: November 30, 2018 06:03AM

This is really interesting information. I am glad someone has the foresight and patience to put it together. I have always felt that unless Don Yenko ordered and built the car, it's not a highly prized Corvair. The cars that were jits sold by Yenko may be more valuable but not the super-high prices of the originals. Cars with tags that were just tags? Not so much for me. I am sure the owners of those tags will disagree. I'm just saying what I would be willing to pay for. Some day the owner of all those tags will start selling them and I would guess that prices will be suppressed on all the tag only cars.

Bob Vinnacombe
Sandy, Oregon
1965 Corsa 140 stock
1966 Monza Soon to be race car
1968 Monza Parts for now

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: Mike Stillwell ()
Date: November 30, 2018 06:13AM

If you all think this is great, you should get a copy of Charlie Doerge’s book. It encompasses a complete history of the Stinger program and gives details on every known Yenko Stinger. I hope Rick didn’t put too much time into this as Charlie spent 20+ years researching for his book - and it shows!

Mike
YS-117

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: November 30, 2018 06:39AM

BobV66Vair Wrote:
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> This is really interesting information. I am glad
> someone has the foresight and patience to put it
> together. I have always felt that unless Don Yenko
> ordered and built the car, it's not a highly
> prized Corvair. The cars that were jits sold by
> Yenko may be more valuable but not the super-high
> prices of the originals. Cars with tags that were
> just tags? Not so much for me. I am sure the
> owners of those tags will disagree. I'm just
> saying what I would be willing to pay for. Some
> day the owner of all those tags will start selling
> them and I would guess that prices will be
> suppressed on all the tag only cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You are correct to a degree. I disagree somewhat. My tag car was made and then from Don Yenko a tag was purchased, I have the original receipt with the race log books. To me that makes it a Yenko! It is not worth anywhere near what the first 100-120 are worth and I realize that. Mine is just a real race only car not a dual purpose car.
About the ring of tags? They are just that, worth more as the ring complete rather than individual tags to put on the cars. They should never be sold and putting one of those tags on a car will never make it a Yenko car.
I could just as easily come up with a story, make my own tag (not that hard) and say I found a Yenko car. Would that make it a Yenko? No, just me trying to dupe the public.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

Vairmech@aol.com

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: November 30, 2018 11:12AM

I am away from home and traveling so I'll bang out a quick response on my phone without getting to lengthy.

Everybody has their own thoights and opinions on anything. There will always be individuals that may have other thoughts or opinions that may or may not agree.

That being said, I documented how to identify an original body COPO car through the Fisher Tag for cars ordered by Don Yenko for the 66 & 67 Yenko Stinger. Nothing but general facts from current known information.

The 2nd post (this one) broke down the quantity of COPO Stingers and non-COPO bodied Stingers.

At no point did I say that a non COPO car wasn't a Stinger if that was misunderstood by anyone..

It is my personal opinion that any 65-69 Corvair with a tag issued from Don Yenko from 66 to the early 80's is a Stinger. Any Stinger YS number with race history is a Stinger regardless of current body or rebody status.

I hope everyone has a great upcoming weekend and hopefully I can wrap up the rest of my thoughts.

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 30, 2018 08:52PM

Okay, so opinions being like Belly-Buttons, and everybody has one, I will add mine.

This whole "a Stinger is a Stinger if it has a Tag" business is just a JOKE!
I understand the purpose of buying a tag so you can race in a particlular catagory, but unless Don Yenko laid his hands on that car, it is NOT a "REAL" Stinger!
It is just a Corvair that qualifies to race in SCCA Stinger group.
I find it funny how self-rightious these Stinger guys are about their cars, "If it has a tag it is a Stinger", but as soon as someone starts talking about the release of any more tags, and all of a sudden the story changes!
"About the ring of tags? They are just that, worth more as the ring complete rather than individual tags to put on the cars. They should never be sold and putting one of those tags on a car will never make it a Yenko car."
What a bunch of Hypocrites!
"putting one of those tags on a car will never make it a Yenko car."
NO, but it will make it a STINGER!
A Stinger Tagged car is a Stinger, at least that is what Stinger guys have been telling us for years!
The tags were ordered by D.Y., so IF a Stinger tagged car is a "REAL STINGER", then these are "REAL STINGER TAGS!"

On a sidenote,
The Stinger requires a tag to be a Stinger.
But A Fitch Sprint could be ordered from John Fitch himself, or purchased as a kit, and there was no "Tags" involved.
You could have as many options, or as few as you wanted.
But, I saw someone(a Stinger owner) on the forum here the other day casting aspersions on a Craiglist ad claiming that a Fitch Corvair wasn't "real" because it only had a couple of Fitch things on it!
How ridiculous!
You can claim that ANY old recycled Corvair is a "Real Yenko Stinger" just because you screwed an old recycled Stinger tag onto it, but then turn around and claim that a Fitch Sprint isn't real, when John Fitch himself never defined hard parameters as to what makes up a "Fitch Car"!
Boy!
Elitist will do anything to protect their perceived superiority!
Glad I belong to the lowly (and ever so humble) plain ole Corvair crowd!
Flame on.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza - 140 4-spd. driver

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: Mike Stillwell ()
Date: December 01, 2018 11:49AM

No one asked you to play in the Yenko Stinger game. If you don’t like it, skip
the thread. I have all 3 kinds, so I can speak with authority on the topic. ‘Be owned Stingers since I was 23 and I am thanked for my contributions in Charlie’s book. I’m not out there trying to gouge folks for some crap I stumbled upon. There is value to a car being a Yenko Stinger, both back in the day and now, as Eric attests.
You’re a wet blanket.

Mike
YS-117

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: December 01, 2018 03:26PM

HA HA HA ! grinning smiley
And you are welcome to hold your opinion too. eye rolling smiley
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.
However wrong it may be. winking smiley

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza - 140 4-spd. driver

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: yenkomark ()
Date: December 01, 2018 03:34PM

Always interesting sitting in the bleachers, watching the game play on.

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: December 03, 2018 02:35AM

I knew that as soon a somebody expressed an opinion, there'd be a "food fight". eye popping smiley Same thing happens with any other aspect of the hobby. eye rolling smiley

Personally, while I don't have a dog in this fight, the way I see it is that the "pure" Yenko Stinger definition was compromised once Yenko let tags and VIN records get out of his hands. Thus you end up with not just one type of Stinger but several levels of them. They should be thus catagorized in several levels. I think that once someone writes the definitive list of those levels, and everyone can agree on said definitions, then the issue may have a satisfactory conclusion. Sound like a workable solution?

-Mark

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: Mike Stillwell ()
Date: December 03, 2018 02:59AM

How would you feel Mark, if I entered a thread and said ‘67 convertibles aren’t that special and really shouldn’t be worth much? Now I know you don’t ever plan to sell that car, but it’s still a smack in the face to say that - especially when I don’t even have a ‘67 convertible. Here we have guys that don’t even have a Stinger and probably never will, telling us what a Stinger may or may not be and that they may not be worth much. I know a guy that recently paid over 20K for a Stinger with a 300 series tag. I highly doubt ol’ big mouth would come up to him
at a show and run his mouth. It’s disrespectful and I will stand up, with my real name - not hiding behind some made up handle - and say it’s wrong.

Mike
YS-117



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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: texas yenko dude ()
Date: December 03, 2018 05:07AM

Mark Gillespie,

Please pass the popcorn ! ! !

Texas YENKO Dude
YS-070
YS-199
YS-320
Southeast of Disorder


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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: Mike Stillwell ()
Date: December 03, 2018 06:11AM

After I posted that, I went back to delete it, but I was too late. I remembered the sage advice; “Don’t feed the Trolls”.

Mike
YS-117

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: December 03, 2018 08:00AM

To discuss the whole "a Stinger tag makes it a Stinger" ...that statement is too simplified and due to that, is flawed.

A statement on what makes a Stinger a Stinger is at least a paragraph long and basically should start something like that this and continue to go on....

"A Yenko Stinger is a 65-69 Corvair 2 door, either documented by paperwork as being processed through Yenko Chevrolet to be converted to an SCCA approved racecar, or any 65-69 Covair with a documented YS tag as assigned or sold to participate in SCCA racing as a Yenko Stinger in D Production."

Two relatively significant NON-tagged Yenko Stingers come to mind initially. The Canadian prototype Stinger that was not tagged, but documented would be one and the 1969 "Goodyear" Stinger would be another as to the best of my knowledge, neither have a YS tag....

Additionally I have another thought provoking "the tag makes the car" scenario..

A historically documented original COPO YS (sub 100) body with correct VIN & hidden VIN, as well as the correct Fisher tag, with provenance attaching the VIN of the car as sold new to an owner with YS number is in the body shop and someone steals the YS tag from the doorjamb.....

Is the above car still a Stinger? .....or did the tag make it a Stinger?

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd



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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: December 03, 2018 06:17PM

Well Rick, I guess if we go by "the Authority" on Stingers, who does make the claim that "A Stinger tag makes it a Stinger", then by all reasonable logic, . . . . that car is no longer a Stinger.
After all, the identifier of that car as a Stinger(ie. the tag) is now in someone else's hands and whatever car that tag gets stuck onto is now the Stinger!

But I still stand by the reality that if any of the remaining YS tags are released into the public realm, they are just as much of a "Real Stinger" as any currently existing cars.
You can not simply rewrite the rules to suit yourself. (or protect your investment eye rolling smiley )
If a YS tag is all it takes, then ANY tag created by D.Y. himself is a LEGITIMATE tag, no matter what its date of distribution.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza - 140 4-spd. driver

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Re: 1966, 67, & 69 COPO Stingers and 65-69 YS Tag Kit Stinger Production Info.
Posted by: Mike Stillwell ()
Date: December 03, 2018 06:34PM

Do Trolls eat Popcorn, Chris?

Mike
YS-117

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